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People have been trained to not accept the authority of scriptures or of holy men. When we approach them with the philosophy of Krishna consciousness, they take it as "dogmatic." But as Srila Prabhupada explain in the quote below, the opposite is true. The Vedic system of acquiring knowledge is the deductive process. The Vedic knowledge is received perfectly by disciplic succession from authorities. Such knowledge is never dogmatic, as ill conceived by less intelligent persons. The mother is the authority to verify the identity of the father. She is the authority for such confidential knowledge. Therefore, authority is not dogmatic. In the Bhagavad-gita this truth is confirmed in the Fourth Chapter (Bg. 4.2), and the perfect system of learning is to receive it from authority. The very same system is accepted universally as truth, but only the false arguer speaks against it. For example, modern spacecraft fly in the sky, and when scientists say that they travel to the other side of the moon, men believe these stories blindly because they have accepted the modern scientists as authorities. The authorities speak, and the people in general believe them. But in the case of Vedic truths, they have been taught not to believe. Even if they accept them they give a different interpretation. Each and every man wants a direct perception of Vedic knowledge, but foolishly they deny it. This means that the misguided man can believe one authority, the scientist, but will reject the authority of the Vedas. The result is that people have degenerated. SB 1.9.18

Chanting Hare Krishna is the most sublime method of reviving our original spiritual consciousness. A sincere practitioner must be careful not to hear such chanting from the lips of non-devotees, who do not come in the disciplic succession and who derride a bona fide spiritual master and his instructions as such chanting has a contaminating effect. The following are various quotes by His Divine Grace A.C.Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada, the founder of the Hare Krishna movement on this topic. The first and foremost offence is the act of defaming the great saints who have glorified the chanting of the Name of the Lord by example in their own life and precepts. According to ordinary moral principles no one must be defamed for serving any ulterior motive. But still according to the gravity of different offences, defamation of Saints who have done much for the propagation of the Name of God and His Fame must be considered the gravest of all offences. Those who are therefore accustomed to defame such saints, are spiritually great offenders and such persons can have no access to the transcendental Name of the Lord. We should therefore be guard against such offence. BTGPY1f: The Science of Congregational Chanting of the Name of the Lord (Samkirtan) The devotee must receive the transcendental Name of the Lord from the transcendental lips of a bonafide spiritual master who is cent percent devotee of the Lord and nothing more or nothing less and then begin chanting the transcendental Name of the Lord by constant repetition. Such spiritual master as above mentioned is known as the Guru from whom either initiation is taken or the one from whom spiritual instruction is received. One should have unflinching faith in such self realised transcendental spiritual master. The bonafides of such spiritual master can however be known, by their activities only which are always evident in respect of everything being done for and on behalf of the Lord. The self-realised spiritual master never deviates from the rulings of Shastras (Law Books) and he always does in practice what he speaks in theory. Those who however manufacture spiritual lessons from their own fertile brain, without having undergone any spiritual training from a bonafide spiritual master, cannot be counted as a spiritual master. Disrespect for such bonafide spiritual master and respect for the pseudo-spiritual master both are offences of the third order. BTGPY1f: The Science of Congregational Chanting of the Name of the Lord (Samkirtan) While describing the system of protection for the creeper of devotional service, Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu has especially stressed protection from offenses unto the lotus feet of Vaisnavas. Such offenses are called vaisnava-aparadha. Aparadha means "offense." If one commits vaisnava-aparadhas, all of his progress in devotional service will be checked. Even though one is very much advanced in devotional service, if he commits offenses at the feet of a Vaisnava, his advancement is all spoiled.... Therefore one should be very careful about committing offenses at the feet of a Vaisnava. The most grievous type of vaisnava-aparadha is called guru-aparadha, which refers to offenses at the lotus feet of the spiritual master. In the chanting of the holy name of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, this guru-aparadha is considered the most grievous offense. (Srimad-Bhagavatam 4.21.37) First offense is guror avajna, defying the authority of guru. This is the first offense. So one who is offensive, how he can make advance in chanting? He cannot make. Then everything is finished in the beginning. Guror avajna. Everything is there. If one is disobeying the spiritual master, he cannot remain in the pure status of life. He cannot be siksa-guru or anything else. He is finished, immediately. Guror avajna sruti-sastra-nindanam, namno balad yasya hi... You do not study all these things. You become initiated. There are ten kinds of offenses. Do you have any regard for these things or not? You must avoid these ten kinds of offenses. The first offense is to disobey the orders of guru. That is first offense. So if you are offensive, how you can become advanced by chanting? That is also not possible. (Bhagavad-gita 17.1-3 -- Honolulu, July 4, 1974) So don't spoil the movement by manufacturing ideas. Don't do that. Go on in the standard way, keep yourself pure; then movement is sure to be successful. But if you want to spoil it by whimsical, then what can be done? It will be spoiled. If you manufacture whims and disagree and fight amongst yourself, then it will be another edition of these so-called movements. It will lose the spiritual strength. Always remember it. You cannot.... Now, actually, people are surprised: "What this Hare Krsna mantra has got power that it is changing so quickly?" And on the other hand, it is to be admitted, unless it has got power, how it is changing? So we have to keep that power. Don't make it an ordinary musical vibration. It is a different thing, spiritual. Although it seems like musical vibration, but it is spiritual, completely. Mantrausadhi-vasa. Even, by mantra, the snakes can be charmed. So mantra is not ordinary sound vibration. So we have to keep the mantra in potency, potent, by offenseless chanting, by remaining pure. If you pollute the mantra, then it will lose its effect. Room Conversation -- April 27, 1976, Auckland, New Zealand The guru does not manufacture a new process to instruct the disciple. The disciple receives from the guru an authorized process received by the guru from his guru. This is called the system of disciplic succession (evam parampara-praptamm imam rajarssayo viduhh). This is the bona fide Vedic system of receiving the process of devotional service, by which the Supreme Personality of Godhead is pleased. Therefore, to approach a bona fide guru, or spiritual master, is essential. The bona fide spiritual master is he who has received the mercy of his guru, who in turn is bona fide because he has received the mercy of his guru. This is called the parampara system. Unless one follows this parampara system, the mantra one receives will be chanted for no purpose. SB 8.16.24 Prabhupada: As soon as the discipline broken, then everything is lost. Now you can dance like a dog. That will not affect. Nobody can do that unless there is spiritual strength. Now, last night Madhudvissa Maharaja was singing, and so many men became enthused to dance. So unless there is spiritual strength, it cannot be done. Others cannot ask and dance. No, that is not possible. That is not possible. Unless there is spiritual strength, you cannot enthuse others. So we should have to acquire spiritual strength by following the regulative principle. Sanatana Gosvami has therefore forbidden. Avaisnava-mukhodgirnnam puta-hari-kathamrrtam sravanam kartavyam: "Those who are not following Vaisnava principles, one should not hear from him." Why? It is Krsna-katha, Krsna's. Now sarpocchista-payo yatha: "Milk is very good, but as soon as it is touched by a serpent, it is no more good. It is harmful." So one must be Vaisnava. Unless one is Vaisnava, there is injunction, "Don't hear from him. It will be poisonous." So one who is not following Vaisnava principle, he cannot speak about Vaisnava principle. It is harmful. That is forbidden by acaryas, Sanatana Gosvami. If somebody says, "What is the harm? He is chanting Hare Krsna..." He cannot chant. That is a show-bottle chant. That is not effective. But even taking that "Anyone who is chanting, let me hear," no, Sanatana Gosvami says, "No, don't hear." It will be harmful more than... In other words, if you are not following the Vaisnava principle, you don't chant. It will not be effective (Room Conversation with Bhurijana dasa and Disciples -- July 1, 1974, Melbourne) Yoko Ono: If the mantra itself has such power, does it matter where you receive it, where you take it? Prabhupada: Yes. Yes. That is a fact. The example is given just like milk. Milk is nutritious. That's a fact. Everyone knows. But if the milk is touched through the tongue of a serpent, it is no more nutritious. It is poison. Yoko Ono: Well, milk is material. Prabhupada: No, material. You want to understand through your material senses, we have to give... Yoko Ono: Well, no. I don't have, you don't have to tell me material senses. I mean mantra is not material. It should be something spiritual, and therefore nobody can spoil it, I don't think. I mean, I wonder if anybody can spoil something that is not material. Prabhupada: But the thing is that if you don't receive the mantra through the proper channel, it may not be mantra. John Lennon: But how would you know, anyway? How are you able to tell, anyway? I mean, for any of your disciples or us or anybody that goes to any spiritual master, how are we to tell... Prabhupada: Not any spiritual master. John Lennon: True master. How are we to tell one from the other? Prabhupada: It is not that any spiritual master. Sampradaya. Sampradaya means a particular line of disciplic succession. Room Conversation With John Lennon, Yoko Ono, and George Harrison -- September 11, 1969, London, At Tittenhurst A person who cannot keep his faith in the words of his spiritual master but acts independently never receives the authority to chant the holy name of the Lord. It is said in the Vedas (Svetasvatara Upanisad 6.23): yasya deve para bhaktir yatha deve tatha gurau tasyaite kathita hy arthah prakasante mahatmanahh "Only unto those great souls who have implicit faith in both the Lord and the spiritual master are all the imports of Vedic knowledge automatically revealed." This Vedic injunction is very important, and Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu supported it by His personal behavior. Believing in the words of His spiritual master, He introduced the sankirtana movement, just as the present Krsna consciousness movement was started with belief in the words of our spiritual master. He wanted to preach, we believed in his words and tried somehow or other to fulfill them, and now this movement has become successful all over the world. Therefore faith in the words of the spiritual master and in the Supreme Personality of Godhead is the secret of success. Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu never disobeyed the orders of His spiritual master and stopped propagating the sankirtana movement. Sri Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvatī Gosvami, at the time of his passing away, ordered all his disciples to work conjointly to preach the mission of Caitanya Mahaprabhu all over the world. Later, however, some self-interested, foolish disciples disobeyed his orders. Each one of them wanted to become head of the mission, and they fought in the courts, neglecting the order of the spiritual master, and the entire mission was defeated. We are not proud of this; however, the truth must be explained. We believed in the words of our spiritual master and started in a humble way-in a helpless way—but due to the spiritual force of the order of the supreme authority, this movement has become successful. It is to be understood that when Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu chanted and danced, He did so by the influence of the pleasure potency of the spiritual world. Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu never considered the holy name of the Lord to be a material vibration, nor does any pure devotee mistake the chanting of the Hare Krsna mantra to be a material musical manifestation. Lord Caitanya never tried to be the master of the holy name; rather He taught us how to be servants of the holy name. If one chants the holy name of the Lord just to make a show, not knowing the secret of success, he may increase his bile secretion, but he will never attain perfection in chanting the holy name. CC adi 7.95-96 "The letters of the holy name have so much spiritual potency that they act even when uttered improperly. PURPORT Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura states that the word vyavahita ("improperly uttered") is not used here to refer to the mundane vibration of the letters of the alphabet. Such negligent utterance for the sense gratification of materialistic persons is not a vibration of transcendental sound. Utterance of the holy name while one engages in sense gratification is an impediment on the path toward achieving ecstatic love for Krsna. Antya 3.59 Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu is herein pointing out to the brahmana that Mayavadi philosophers cannot understand that the living entity is equal in quality with the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Because they do not accept this, they think that the living entity has been falsely divided from the original Brahman due to being conditioned by maya. Mayavadis believe that the Absolute Truth is ultimately impersonal. When an incarnation of God or God Himself comes, they think He is covered by maya. In other words, Mayavadi impersonalists think that the Lord's form is also a product of this material world. Due to a poor fund of knowledge, they cannot understand that Krsna has no body separate from Himself. His body and Himself are both the same Absolute Truth. Not having perfect knowledge of Krsna, such impersonalists certainly commit offenses at His lotus feet. Therefore they do not utter the original name of the Absolute Truth, Krsna. In their impersonal way, they utter the name of impersonal Brahman, spirit soul. In other words, they indulge in indirect indications of the Absolute Truth. Even if they happen to utter the name of Govinda, Krsna or Madhava, they still cannot understand that these names are as good as Govinda, Krsna or Madhava the person. Because they are ultimately impersonalists, their uttering of the personal name has no potency. Actually they do not believe in Krsna but consider all these names to be material vibrations. Cc mad 17.132 Sree Krishna has said Himself while addressing Narada that He does not necessarily make Himself immobile by His situation in the transcendental world, neither He is so, being seated in the hearts of the Yogins as Paramatma and so forth, but He resides surely in His fullness, where His devotees chant the transcendental Name in right earnestness. Sree Krishna being the absolute enjoyer as stated in the Geeta, "Aham eba saraba yajnanam bhokta cha Prabhur eba cha" i.e., "I am the Absolute Enjoyer and Master of all Yajnas or sacrifices etc."-He cannot be the object of our sense-pleasure in combination with music and bands and called thereof "Samkirtan." He cannot be enjoyed by our irresponsible whims and feats. He says therefore that He lives only there where His devotees chant His Name. "Mad bhakta jatra gayantee" He declines to descend Himself where there is dearth of His devotees. Because His devotees never try to enjoy Him or His Paraphernalia in a pseudo-spiritualistic mode. His devotee knows it perfectly well that Sree Krishna being the Absolute Personality of Godhead i.e., "Purushottama" as stated in the Geeta, He cannot consent to reside at a place where His transcendental Name, Fame, Quality, etc., are considered as equal with mundane names, etc., and thereby treated with all undevotional manner. BTGPY1f: The Science of Congregational Chanting of the Name of the Lord (Samkirtan) Impersonalists also sometimes chant the Hare Krsna mantra and dance, but their aim is not to serve the Lord. It is to become one with the Lord and merge into His existence. NOD Devastation

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Sometimes it is seen that for sake of trying to preach, devotees compromise the spiritual master's teaching, and thereby disobey his order either directly or indirectly. Srila Prabhupada herein explains the cause and effect of this. Without raising oneself to the standard of the mode of goodness, one remains in ignorance and passion, which are the cause of demoniac life. Those in the modes of passion and ignorance deride the scriptures, deride the holy man, and deride the proper understanding of the Supreme Personality of Godhead. They disobey the instructions of the spiritual master, and they do not care for the regulations of the scriptures. In spite of hearing the glories of devotional service, they are not attracted. Thus they manufacture their own way of elevation. These are some of the defects of human society which lead to the demoniac status of life. If, however, one is able to be guided by a proper and bona fide spiritual master, who can lead one to the path of elevation, to the higher stage, then one's life becomes successful. Bg 16.24

Yesterday we celebrated the divine disappearance of Srila Jagannatha Dasa Babaji, the spiritual master of Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura. Here is a short article on how this great soul confirmed the discovery of the birthplace of Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu. Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu appeared in the land of Bharata-varsa, specifically in Bengal, in the district of Nadia, where Navadvipa is situated. It is therefore to be concluded, as stated by Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura, that within this universe this earth is the best planet and that on this planet the land of Bharata-varsa is the best; in the land of Bharata-varsa, Bengal is still better, in Bengal the district of Nadia is still better, and in Nadia the best place is Navadvipa because Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu appeared there to inaugurate the performance of the sacrifice of chanting the Hare Krsna maha-mantra. Bhaktivinoda Thakura states that if by Krsna's grace, one has an opportunity to live in Mayapura, he should take full advantage of this as he is spiritually fortunate. The sastras state: krsna-varnam tvisakrsnam sangopangastra-parsadam yajnaih sankirtana-prayair yajanti hi sumedhasah [SB 11.5.32] Lord Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu is always accompanied by His very confidential associates such as Sri Nityananda, Sri Gadadhara and Sri Advaita and by many devotees like Srivasa. They are always engaged in chanting the name of the Lord and are always describing Lord Krsna. Therefore Mayapura is the best among all the places in the universe. The Krsna consciousness movement has established its center in Mayapur, the birthsite of Lord Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu, to give men the great opportunity to go there and perform a constant festival of sankirtana-yajna and to distribute prasada to millions of hungry people hankering for spiritual emancipation. This is the mission of the Krsna consciousness movement. Caitanya-bhagavata confirms this as follows: "One should not desire to be elevated even to a place in the heavenly planetary systems if it has no propaganda to expand the glories of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, no trace of Vaisnavas, pure devotees of the Lord, and no festivals for spreading Krsna consciousness. It would be better to live perpetually cramped within the airtight bag of a mother's womb, where one can at least remember the lotus feet of the Lord, than to live in a place where there is no opportunity to remember His lotus feet. I pray not to be allowed to take birth in such a condemned place." Bhaktivinoda Thakura was so anxious to see the land of Lord Caitanya that he applied many times for a transfer to any town nearby. Upon not receiving the desired transfer, he formally submitted a resignation from public service, but it was refused. Then, to his great rejoicing, he obtained a transfer to Krishnanagar, twenty-five miles from Navadvipa, Mayapur. Once stationed at a place near Navadvipa, he did not let a single free moment pass without visiting the land of Navadvipa. He at once made inquiries about the exact whereabouts of the different places of Lord Caitanya's pastimes. He soon discovered that the then city of Navadvipa was a town of only a hundred years' standing, so he was curious to locate the actual birthplace of Lord Caitanya. He was convinced that the town of Navadvipa was not the authentic location, and he at once commenced a vigorous inquiry to find the truth of the matter. But he could not easily escape from the people who tried to make him believe that the birthplace of Caitanya was at that town. Then, after careful inquiry, he was told that the site was lost under the shifting course of the Ganges. Not satisfied with this explanation, he himself set out to discover the yoga-pitha (birthplace). After great difficulties, he came to know of a place which was being adored by many realized souls as the true birthplace of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu and which was then in the possession of the Muhammadans. This place was at that time known as Miyapura, local inquiry and corroborative evidence from ancient maps of the latter part of the eighteenth century which showed the name "Sri Mayapur" at last helped him to discover the real site of the birthplace. Later on, the great spiritual master Jagannatha dasa Babaji confirmed the location. The discovery led to the publishing of a valuable work called Navadvipa-dhama-mahatmya. The year 1895 was the most eventful year in the history of the Vaisnava world, and Bhaktivinoda Thakura was the prime mover of the events. It was in this year that he officially memorialized the birthsite of Sri Caitanya and brought its true identity and importance before the public eye. Thousands of visitors were present at a function held at the spot. Just after retiring from government service, Thakura Bhaktivinoda himself, in a spirit of perfect humility and with a view to giving a firm standing to the discovery, went from door to door to raise funds for a temple. In the Amrita Bazar Patrika newspaper, on December 6, 1894, the following article appeared: "Babu Kedaranatha Datta, the distinguished Deputy Magistrate who has just retired from the service, is one of the most active members. Indeed, Babu Kedaranatha Datta has been deputed by his committee to raise subscriptions in Calcutta and elsewhere and is determined to go from house to house if necessary and beg a rupee from each Hindu gentleman for the noble purpose. If Babu Kedaranatha Datta sticks to his resolution of going around with a bag in hand, we hope that no Hindu gentleman whose house may be honored by the presence of such a devout bhakta as Babu Kedaranatha will send him away without contributing his mite, however humble it may be, to the Gaura-Visnupriya Temple fund." Truly, Thakura Bhaktivinoda honored the houses of many persons for the fulfillment of the noble object he had undertaken. He went to persons to whom he would not have gone for any purpose but for this mission of Lord Caitanya, and his efforts were not fruitless, since the sum collected contributed to the construction of a building on the holy site of Lord Caitanya's appearance. He purchased the land of Mayapura at eight annas a bigha. In this way Thakura Bhaktivinoda excavated the birthplace of Lord Caitanya, and organized its development. He wanted to develop it very gloriously, befitting the holy name of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu and since he could not finish the task, it was handed down to Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura.

Sometimes devotees have the misconception that householder life is an excuse to simply enjoy and be relaxed in terms of the rules and regulations of devotional life. However, Srila Prabhupada explains the actual standard for householders in the Bhagavad-gita, and exposes those who comprise these important principles of elevation simply for name and fame. As far as dama (self-control) is concerned, it is not only meant for other orders of religious society, but is especially meant for the householder. Although he has a wife, a householder should not use his senses for sex life unnecessarily. There are restrictions for the householders even in sex life, which should only be engaged in for the propagation of children. If he does not require children, he should not enjoy sex life with his wife. Modern society enjoys sex life with contraceptive methods or more abominable methods to avoid the responsibility of children. This is not in the transcendental quality, but is demoniac. If anyone, even if he is a householder, wants to make progress in spiritual life, he must control his sex life and should not beget a child without the purpose of serving Krsna. If he is able to beget children who will be in Krsna consciousness, one can produce hundreds of children, but without this capacity one should not indulge only for sense pleasure. Tapas, or austerity, is especially meant for the retired life. One should not remain a householder throughout his whole life; he must always remember that there are four divisions of life -- brahmacarya, grhastha, vanaprastha and sannyasa. So after grhastha, householder life, one should retire. If one lives for a hundred years, he should spend twenty -- five years in student life, twenty-five in householder life, twenty-five in retired life and twenty-five in the renounced order of life. These are the regulations of the Vedic religious discipline. A man retired from household life must practice austerities of the body, mind and tongue. That is tapasya. The entire varnasrama-dharma society is meant for tapasya. Without tapasya, or austerity, no human being can get liberation. The theory that there is no need of austerity in life, that one can go on speculating and everything will be nice, is recommended neither in the Vedic literature nor in Bhagavad-gita. Such theories are manufactured by show-bottle spiritualists who are trying to gather more followers. If there are restrictions, rules and regulations, people will not become attracted. Therefore those who want followers in the name of religion, just to have a show only, don't restrict the lives of their students, nor their own lives. But that method is not approved by the Vedas. Bg 16.1–3

Here is an ecstatic song written by Bhaktivinoda Thakura, our great-grand spiritual master. He wrote hundreds of songs describing the glories of Krishna and the chanting of the Hare Krishna maha-mantra. (1) 'radha-krsna' bol bol bolo re sobai (ei) siksa diya, sab nadiya phirche nece' gaura-nitai (miche) mayar bose, jaccho bhese', khaccho habudubu, bhai Chant, chant "Radha-Krsna!" Everyone chant! When Lord Caitanya and Lord Nityananda came dancing through Nadia, They gave these teachings: Chant, chant "Radha-Krsna!" Everyone chant! You are caught up in a whirlpool of senseless action and are sinking lower and lower. Chant, chant "Radha-Krsna!" Everyone chant! (2) (jiv) krsna-das, e biswas, korle to' ar duhkho nai (krsna) bolbe jabe, pulak ha'be jhorbe ankhi, boli tai If you just understand that the spirit soul is the eternal servant of Krsna, you will never have any more sorrows. Chant Hare Krsna and your eyes will fill with tears and your body will feel transcendental shivering. Chant, chant "Radha-Krsna!" Everyone chant! (3) ('radha) krsna' bolo, sańge calo, ei-matra bhikha cai (jay) sakal' bipod bhaktivinod bole, jakhon o-nam gai Simply chant "Radha-Krsna" and join with us. Those are the only alms we beg. Chant, chant "Radha-Krsna!" Everyone chant! "All dangers will be gone when that Name is chanted," says Bhaktivinoda Thakura. Chant, chant "Radha-Krsna!" Everyone chant!

A bona-fide guru is not here to caress our false ego. He will speak in such a way, to completely shatter it. Srila Prabhupada is such a Guru. Hear this fresh new podcast and learn more :) Hare Krishna! Click on this pic or hear from the embedded video.

Srila Prabhupada herein vividly and beautifully elucidates the highest form and object of concentration that one's mind can meditate on—the beautiful form of the supreme Lord. It is by great fortune that one comes to Krsna consciousness on the path of bhakti-yoga to become well situated according to the Vedic direction. The ideal yogi concentrates his attention on Krsna who is called Syamasundara, who is as beautifully colored as a cloud, whose lotuslike face is as effulgent as the sun, whose dress is brilliant with jewels and whose body is flower-garlanded. Illuminating all sides is His gorgeous luster, which is called the brahma-jyoti. He incarnates in different forms such as Rama, Nrsimha, Varaha and Krsna, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, and He descends like a human being, as the son of mother Yasoda, and He is known as Krsna, Govinda and Vasudeva. He is the perfect child, husband, friend and master, and He is full with all opulences and transcendental qualities. If one remains fully conscious of these features of the Lord, he is called the highest yogi. Bg 6.47 The impersonalists can imagine or even perceive that the Supreme Brahman is thus all-pervading, and therefore they conclude that there is no possibility of His personal form. Herein lies the mystery of transcendental knowledge of the Personality of Godhead. This mystery is transcendental love of Godhead, and one who is surcharged with such transcendental love of Godhead can without difficulty see the Personality of Godhead in every atom and every movable or immovable object. And at the same time he can see the Personality of Godhead in His own abode, Goloka, enjoying eternal pastimes with His eternal associates, who are also expansions of His transcendental existence. This vision is the real mystery of spiritual knowledge, as stated by the Lord in the beginning of His instructions to Brahmaji (sarahasyam tad-angam ca). This mystery is the most confidential part of the knowledge of the Supreme, and it is impossible for the mental speculators to discover it by dint of intellectual gymnastics. The mystery can be revealed through the process recommended by Brahmaji in his Brahma-samhita (5.38) as follows: premanjana-cchurita-bhakti-vilocanena santah sadaiva hrdayesu vilokayanti yam syamasundaram acintya-guna-svarupam govindam adi-purusam tam aham bhajami "I worship the original Personality of Godhead, Govinda, whom the pure devotees, their eyes smeared with the ointment of love of Godhead, always observe within their hearts. This Govinda, the original Personality of Godhead, is Syamasundara with all transcendental qualities." Therefore, although He is present in every atom, the Supreme Personality of Godhead may not be visible to the dry speculators; still the mystery is unfolded before the eyes of the pure devotees because their eyes are anointed with love of Godhead. And this love of Godhead can be attained only by the practice of transcendental loving service of the Lord, and nothing else. The vision of the devotees is not ordinary; it is purified by the process of devotional service. In other words, as the universal elements are both within and without, similarly the Lord's name, form, qualities, pastimes, entourage, etc., as they are described in the revealed scriptures or as performed in the Vaikunthalokas, far, far beyond the material cosmic manifestation, are factually being televised in the heart of the devotee. The man with a poor fund of knowledge cannot understand, although by material science one can see things far away by means of television. Factually, the spiritually developed person is able to have the television of the kingdom of God always reflected within his heart. That is the mystery of knowledge of the Personality of Godhead. SB 2.9.35 When Lord Sri Krsna was personally present in the mortal world in His eternal, blissful form of Syamasundara, those who were not pure devotees of the Lord could not recognize Him or know His glories. Avajananti mam mudha manusim tanum asritam (Bg. 9.11): He is always bewildering to the nondevotees, but He is always seen by the devotees by dint of their pure devotional service to Him. SB 3.1.43 >>> Ref. VedaBase => SB 3.1.43

The following is a chat I had with someone who wanted evidence for the soul being different from the body. However, he didn't want to actually hear the answer. So what was the use of asking? This is a principle that preachers often encounter; people may come, but they don't come to understand, they simply want to argue. Here's how I dealt with it. CHALLENGING ATHIEST claims need evidence my friend MAITREYA RISHI DASA yes there is evidence your body is changing is it not? CHALLENGING ATHIEST and what is that evidence of? MAITREYA RISHI DASA That you are not the body CHALLENGING ATHIEST why do think that is evidence of that? that's an unwarranted leap MAITREYA RISHI DASA The body you had when you were a child is gone. Yes? CHALLENGING ATHIEST no it changed how do you get from that change to "therefore you're not in your body" especially given what we know about brain damage causing personality changes MAITREYA RISHI DASA Changed means different body CHALLENGING ATHIEST no, it means the body changed MAITREYA RISHI DASA Changed is different. Can you say you a child’s body? CHALLENGING ATHIEST genetically, yes it's the same MAITREYA RISHI DASA I didn’t say genetically CHALLENGING ATHIEST you said it was a different body, which is incorrect MAITREYA RISHI DASA Is it the same body? let us speak in layman’s terms CHALLENGING ATHIEST we are speaking in layman's terms MAITREYA RISHI DASA Is a child’s body the same as an adult body in all practical aspects? CHALLENGING ATHIEST that's a different question MAITREYA RISHI DASA Can you walk around In a diaper as an adult? CHALLENGING ATHIEST yes you can MAITREYA RISHI DASA Will people have the same reaction as when a child does it CHALLENGING ATHIEST how is that remotely relevant to your point? MAITREYA RISHI DASA Will they? CHALLENGING ATHIEST it's not relevant MAITREYA RISHI DASA You are dodging CHALLENGING ATHIEST the question has nothing to do with what we're discussing kindly support your claim MAITREYA RISHI DASA Ah very bad how can we have a civil debate if you can’t answer basic questions CHALLENGING ATHIEST if you can explain why it's relevant... MAITREYA RISHI DASA It’s absolutely directly connected CHALLENGING ATHIEST why do you think that MAITREYA RISHI DASA You may not be able to understand how at this point but I promise you it’s connected. I think you know that it is and therefore you are avoiding answering CHALLENGING ATHIEST so explain how it is connected... MAITREYA RISHI DASA It’s clearly connected it’s self explanatory, why don’t you just answer it so we can move forward? Do you think I’m such a fool that I just ask off topic questions? I don’t have time to waste in that way CHALLENGING ATHIEST it's not self explanatory at all I don't see any relevance to the question, it's a waste of time can you or can you not support your claim? MAITREYA RISHI DASA No first you answer my question then you can ask CHALLENGING ATHIEST show why the question is even slightly relevant MAITREYA RISHI DASA Because I’m already answering your questioning but you don’t want to hear the answer. CHALLENGING ATHIEST that doesn't somehow mean that any question you ask is relevant and no, I want an answer just one that's actually coherent MAITREYA RISHI DASA You are very expert in dodging sir CHALLENGING ATHIEST means nothing from you MAITREYA RISHI DASA Well if you don’t like how I answer what can I do CHALLENGING ATHIEST you haven't answered why it's relevant MAITREYA RISHI DASA Why ask a question if you don’t want to hear the answer CHALLENGING ATHIEST you've said "oh it's just self explanatory" which doesn't answer the question why pretend you know what I do or don't want? MAITREYA RISHI DASA That’s quite foolish. Imagine you’re walking in a forest and you ask someone “how do I get out of here?” And he says “go that way” and you reply “no I’ll go my own way.” That person would be a fool right? Why even ask in the first place CHALLENGING ATHIEST that doesn't map onto this at all MAITREYA RISHI DASA Why not? CHALLENGING ATHIEST no part of that is comparable to our situation MAITREYA RISHI DASA You asked a question. I answer. You reject my answer CHALLENGING ATHIEST you didn't answer though and if you think that's comparable to asking directions in the forest then I don't know what to say to you MAITREYA RISHI DASA No I was trying but you didn’t want to hear Hence the example CHALLENGING ATHIEST I do want to hear, but I want to hear an actual answer the example didn't work why does how someone reacts to how someone else is dressed have any bearing on what you claim? MAITREYA RISHI DASA Well who are you to determine what a “real” answer is? If you already know then why ask? That’s why I used the example CHALLENGING ATHIEST I didnt say real answer did I your example was pathetic it doesn't apply MAITREYA RISHI DASA You said “actual” Same thing CHALLENGING ATHIEST yes, not real no, not same thing if you understand the language MAITREYA RISHI DASA “I do want to hear, but I want to hear an actual answer” CHALLENGING ATHIEST yes an actual answer, rather than not an answer which is what you keep offering MAITREYA RISHI DASA What is the difference I am a fool please tell me CHALLENGING ATHIEST read why does how someone reacts to how someone else is dressed have any bearing on what you claim? why does a body changing mean what you think it does? MAITREYA RISHI DASA You keep avoiding my answer so why should I keep trying to explain it to you CHALLENGING ATHIEST avoiding? mate you need to learn what words mean MAITREYA RISHI DASA If I start again you will say “no I want an actual answer” CHALLENGING ATHIEST if you don't answer then yes I will ask for an answer replying something not related to the question is not an answer MAITREYA RISHI DASA Well if you are the only person who can determine what a real answer is there’s no point in asking anybody anything CHALLENGING ATHIEST I didn't say real answer MAITREYA RISHI DASA “Actual” CHALLENGING ATHIEST you need to learn English yes, an actual answer as opposed to not an answer for the second time of writing... MAITREYA RISHI DASA I am not so expert to see the difference it appears they mean the same thing CHALLENGING ATHIEST clearly MAITREYA RISHI DASA Well at least the affect is the same I give you an answer and you don’t accept it CHALLENGING ATHIEST nope that's not what is happenign you haven't answered the question MAITREYA RISHI DASA Again You just did it again CHALLENGING ATHIEST as I have said, repeatedly now MAITREYA RISHI DASA All my answers you reject CHALLENGING ATHIEST you are not answering the question MAITREYA RISHI DASA What can I do CHALLENGING ATHIEST you can actually address what was asked ie answer the question rather than what you are doing, which is not addressing what is asked why does how someone reacts to how someone else is dressed have any bearing on what you claim? MAITREYA RISHI DASA As far as I remember that’s what you just did because I asked you something in order to answer you and just didn’t address it CHALLENGING ATHIEST okay cya MAITREYA RISHI DASA Bye bye CHALLENGING ATHIEST you don't appear to be able to support what you claim MAITREYA RISHI DASA I think you have definitely shown that you don’t like to accept answers but still ask questions CHALLENGING ATHIEST wow you havent answered what was asked I don't know if it's a problem with your English or what but you are not addressing what the question asks do you understand that? if I ask you what your favourite fruit is and you say 11 MAITREYA RISHI DASA Hm anyway I think my time would be better answering people who actually want the answer CHALLENGING ATHIEST that you're not answering the question okay you clearly don't actually understand english to a decent level MAITREYA RISHI DASA And who don’t just ask to argue CHALLENGING ATHIEST I I'm asking to get the answer and you're not actually reading or understanding or answering the question but sure, run away MAITREYA RISHI DASA Well when I try to give it all I get is you not moving forward and accepting my answer CHALLENGING ATHIEST because it's not an answer to the question that was asked what part of that do you not understand? MAITREYA RISHI DASA I think this may be a case of projection CHALLENGING ATHIEST can you show me why a body changing is evidence of a soul guess not MAITREYA RISHI DASA If I give you the answer will you accept it? CHALLENGING ATHIEST not automatically accepting something I havent read is that really what you demand? that people accept your claims before they even hear the justification for them? MAITREYA RISHI DASA At least people should accept to hear the answer Otherwise what is the use of asking CHALLENGING ATHIEST I want to hear an answer, problem is you haven't been answering what was actually asked MAITREYA RISHI DASA I may not answer in the way you demand but I’m not your servant CHALLENGING ATHIEST you've not been addressing what was asked nothing to do with my demands MAITREYA RISHI DASA So because you approached me you should accept the way I answer you You don’t have to accept the answer But the way I give the answer you must accept CHALLENGING ATHIEST if "the way" you answer me is to not actually answer the question but just say something else then why must I accept that? MAITREYA RISHI DASA No you didn’t let me finish I was in the middle of answering you but you didn’t let me move forward so what can I do CHALLENGING ATHIEST it's text, not as if you can't write if someone else is writing and no, you were in the middle of saying that I really should accept your answer that's not answering MAITREYA RISHI DASA No but I was asking you a question in order to answer your question and you didn’t want to answer CHALLENGING ATHIEST because I don't see how that question is relevant MAITREYA RISHI DASA Well that’s your problem not mine CHALLENGING ATHIEST if you like MAITREYA RISHI DASA Yes CHALLENGING ATHIEST why does how someone reacts to how someone else is dressed have any bearing on what you claim? think I may have asked this five times now but yeah, it's me that is refusing to answer right trying to find out why you think what you do, but I'm just not interested? MAITREYA RISHI DASA Well yes because I asked a question and now instead of answering you are just asking this question so I would say you are the one refusing CHALLENGING ATHIEST I'm asking that question to try to get past the block MAITREYA RISHI DASA There is no block CHALLENGING ATHIEST we disagree MAITREYA RISHI DASA You just don’t want to answer my question CHALLENGING ATHIEST because I don't see why it is relevant MAITREYA RISHI DASA If you answer there is no block CHALLENGING ATHIEST if you say why it's relevant I will answer MAITREYA RISHI DASA You may or may not see that’s another thing But you asked me CHALLENGING ATHIEST so help me see rather than act like this MAITREYA RISHI DASA So you should accept how I answer the question CHALLENGING ATHIEST that's nonsense MAITREYA RISHI DASA Why CHALLENGING ATHIEST not how reality or logic works you don't just get to say that you can answer in any way you like, even when that way is by asking seemingly irrelevant questions why does a body changing mean what you think it means? MAITREYA RISHI DASA Imagine it like this, you go to school to learn right? So now you take up to the math course or whatever; then the teacher starts giving you formula to work out the problems and you say “no I don’t like these formulas” is that very intelligent? CHALLENGING ATHIEST that's not what is happening though not even remotely applicable MAITREYA RISHI DASA Why not CHALLENGING ATHIEST because youre not a teacher MAITREYA RISHI DASA Well you are asking me CHALLENGING ATHIEST for one I'm asking you about your opinion why you think one thing means another thing MAITREYA RISHI DASA It’s an analogy so it doesn’t have to be that you are a math student to understand the principle CHALLENGING ATHIEST your opinions are not mathetmatical formulas it's a shit analogy basically none of it maps, yet again why does a body changing mean what you think it means? MAITREYA RISHI DASA Hm well I’m cautious to answer you because everything I say you reject CHALLENGING ATHIEST then support what you claim better MAITREYA RISHI DASA That’s what I’m trying to do but you don’t like it so why do you say like that CHALLENGING ATHIEST I disagree that you are MAITREYA RISHI DASA Not all the proofs have to be exactly what you expect them to be what do you think you’re god or what CHALLENGING ATHIEST I don't see how asking a question about an adult in diapers gets us closer to the answer so I ask you why that's relevant and you do all this MAITREYA RISHI DASA No see my above answer CHALLENGING ATHIEST I'm not saying it has to be anything I'm asking you to explain why that's relevant MAITREYA RISHI DASA Yes you are every time I answer you you say that’s not how I can answer CHALLENGING ATHIEST copy paste where I've said that MAITREYA RISHI DASA Otherwise why don’t you just answer the question CHALLENGING ATHIEST I don't see how asking a question about an adult in diapers gets us closer to the answer so I asked you to tell me why it does and you behave like I've insulted you greatly and called you a fool and I'm just being oh so nasty and won't listen to anything MAITREYA RISHI DASA You might not see you are not omniscient but I see and I’m the one you are asking for an answer CHALLENGING ATHIEST hahaha you're pathetic :) MAITREYA RISHI DASA Now we are just name calling so this conversation has turned into rather childish affair CHALLENGING ATHIEST if you were omniscient, you'd be able to answer simple questions MAITREYA RISHI DASA Anyways I didn’t say I was CHALLENGING ATHIEST glad to see you couldn't even get close to supporting what you claim you implied that you were, you know...English last try, how does asking a question about an adult in diapers gets us closer to the answer? MAITREYA RISHI DASA That is your misunderstanding: I said I can see because I’m the one who has the answer you’re asking for so I know how and why a question I’m asking is relevant CHALLENGING ATHIEST no that's your use of English and I've asked you to explain why it's relevant and you refuse MAITREYA RISHI DASA Sorry but I just can’t waste my time like this with someone who doesn’t want to know the answer CHALLENGING ATHIEST someone who keeps asking for the answer, and for you to explain why you think what you think doesn't want the ansewr sure just run away, it's easier than explaining MAITREYA RISHI DASA Why are you asking a teacher why he’s teaching like the way is? Isn’t that foolishness. Try to understand the example. CHALLENGING ATHIEST that's not what I'm doing and you're not a teacher MAITREYA RISHI DASA Well you’re asking me something CHALLENGING ATHIEST your opinion MAITREYA RISHI DASA If you didn’t want me to teach you why do you ask CHALLENGING ATHIEST it's not teaching it's asking you about your opinion shrink your ego just a little MAITREYA RISHI DASA What is the difference? CHALLENGING ATHIEST huge MAITREYA RISHI DASA Okay well let’s use a better word then that is of your choosing But the principle is why approach me for an answer if you don’t like the way I answer you CHALLENGING ATHIEST so if you come to me and ask me something mathematical and I answer you with "egg sandwich" then you should just be happy with the answer? MAITREYA RISHI DASA Well if that was your final answer yes that would be confusing. CHALLENGING ATHIEST you'd accept it? MAITREYA RISHI DASA I’d accept you as a fool certainly CHALLENGING ATHIEST according to what you just said you should accept it MAITREYA RISHI DASA But that’s not where I was stopping I was going further but you don’t want to hear CHALLENGING ATHIEST according to your own logic you should accept that answer MAITREYA RISHI DASA No CHALLENGING ATHIEST yes MAITREYA RISHI DASA That’s another thing CHALLENGING ATHIEST any danger of you explaining why someone's reaction to someone else in a diaper is relevant to your explanation of why you think a body changing means there is a soul? MAITREYA RISHI DASA If you explained why an egg sandwich is an answer to something mathematical the I might accept your answer CHALLENGING ATHIEST that's not what you said you also seem to think that people should know how you're going to answer before they approach or ask you a question which is more nonsense any danger of you explaining why someone's reaction to someone else in a diaper is relevant to your explanation of why you think a body changing means there is a soul? can we get back to the actual question of your claim you said that a body changing is evidence there is a soul did you not? MAITREYA RISHI DASA Any danger in answering if people’s reactions to an adult wearing a diaper would be different to the reactions to a child wearing diaper? CHALLENGING ATHIEST sure, I can answer that once you tell me its relevance MAITREYA RISHI DASA No why do I have to do that? I say it has relevance and you are the one asking me So you should accept that it has relevance You do not know CHALLENGING ATHIEST so you want me to just automatically accept everything you say? MAITREYA RISHI DASA That’s why you’re asking You do not know otherwise why would you be asking CHALLENGING ATHIEST so me not knowing means I should just accept what you say? MAITREYA RISHI DASA You must at least accept the way I answer CHALLENGING ATHIEST no not if you answer nonsensically for example I want reasons to think what you say is true not to just accept it do you really not see why? MAITREYA RISHI DASA You don’t know whether or not I’m answering nonsensically because you don’t know, otherwise why would you ask CHALLENGING ATHIEST that's not how it works you can see if an answer is nonsensical without needing to know the reality back to my "egg sandwich" example do you just believe everything that you are told? MAITREYA RISHI DASA Yes that’s how it works everywhere. You go to a doctor and ask him a question about your health and so he asks you questions about where the pain is or what your diet is like etc. and if you say “why are you asking these questions? I don’t accept them” aren’t you a fool? CHALLENGING ATHIEST no that's not how it works so you go to the doctor and he asks you how may egg sandwiches you have in the car you just answer that, without asking why they want to know that? or why they could possibly want to know that you saying something that, as far as I can tell, makes no sense so I'm asking you why you think it makes sense can you tell me why someone's reaction to diapers on an adult/child has any bearing on what you're claiming? MAITREYA RISHI DASA It makes no sense to you because you are not in knowledge of the answer otherwise why would you be asking a question CHALLENGING ATHIEST so why not help me understand why it makes sense to you? rather than just demanding I accept it MAITREYA RISHI DASA I don’t demand but you are demanding an answer from me I am trying to explain it you and yet you don’t like to accept the way I explain it so what can I do CHALLENGING ATHIEST you are demanding you want me to just answer it without thinking it has any relevance MAITREYA RISHI DASA You started this message thread an asked me first CHALLENGING ATHIEST yes I asked you to support what you claim as the burden of proof is on you MAITREYA RISHI DASA Yes so you demanded from me CHALLENGING ATHIEST logically you have the burden of proof, nothing to do with me and has nothing to do with me asking you to explain why the question is relevant you're not going to explain are you? MAITREYA RISHI DASA I will if you accept how I explain it otherwise why should I waste my time CHALLENGING ATHIEST I cannot say I will accept how you say it blindly I need to see how you explain it MAITREYA RISHI DASA Why CHALLENGING ATHIEST because in order to evaluate what you're saying I have to read it first MAITREYA RISHI DASA Yes so you should hear Not reject Then you can evaluate CHALLENGING ATHIEST have to hear before you can accept or reject MAITREYA RISHI DASA Yes Very good You have understood CHALLENGING ATHIEST so for the billionth time... That's what I've been saying from the start don't try to be patronising MAITREYA RISHI DASA I’m not trying CHALLENGING ATHIEST another thing we disagree on MAITREYA RISHI DASA That’s alright that’s clear CHALLENGING ATHIEST so why is how someone reacts to a diaper relevant MAITREYA RISHI DASA So if you kindly answer my question you will quickly understand why I asked it and why it’s relevant CHALLENGING ATHIEST you said you'd explain why it's relevant.... MAITREYA RISHI DASA I promise you you will understand if you answer CHALLENGING ATHIEST **** me MAITREYA RISHI DASA No thanks CHALLENGING ATHIEST I will answer if you explain why it's relevant as we just agreed or those of us who speak english did MAITREYA RISHI DASA It’s not possible to explain. The only way you can understand dis if you answer CHALLENGING ATHIEST you can't explain why it's relevant? please stop lying MAITREYA RISHI DASA How do you know I’m lying CHALLENGING ATHIEST kindly explain why how someone reacts to clothing has anything to do with why you claim a changing body neccessarily means a soul because if you couldn't explain why it's relevant you wouldn't have been able to go down this line of reasoning in the first place MAITREYA RISHI DASA I know this is very important to you, but I promise you can’t understand the relevance until you answer because only at that point will you seen the connection I can understand if it’s relevant because I know the answer But you don’t know yet Which is clear because you asked the question in the first place CHALLENGING ATHIEST wow back to trying to be patronising you really need to work on that if you don't mean it that is MAITREYA RISHI DASA No it is important to you that’s a fact because you’ve been pressing on this point for so long CHALLENGING ATHIEST I've been asking you to explain your claim MAITREYA RISHI DASA Is it not CHALLENGING ATHIEST if it's the truth I'd like to hear it MAITREYA RISHI DASA If it was not important you wouldn’t ask so many times CHALLENGING ATHIEST I'd like to accept true things I'm asking so many times because you;re refusing to answer MAITREYA RISHI DASA No I don’t want to appear patronizing but this is clearly important to you so I want to you to know the answer CHALLENGING ATHIEST sure people react differently to different people wearing different things pathetic that you couldn't explain the relevance though truly MAITREYA RISHI DASA Okay so why do they react differently if it’s the same body CHALLENGING ATHIEST because the body changes I guess it's still my body however not to mention, morality, religion, sexuality etc etc etc MAITREYA RISHI DASA If it’s your body then keep it CHALLENGING ATHIEST not sure what that even means MAITREYA RISHI DASA The body you had before is gone because people now react differently to the body you have now. Aka it’s a different body CHALLENGING ATHIEST that last bit just doesn't follow MAITREYA RISHI DASA How can you be your body if it’s different now but you are still here. CHALLENGING ATHIEST it's a changed body MAITREYA RISHI DASA It’s a totally different body CHALLENGING ATHIEST no it's not though same dna, same consciousness MAITREYA RISHI DASA If it’s the same then why do people react differently Yes exaclty Same consciousness CHALLENGING ATHIEST for the reasons I gave if the dna are the "instructions" and that's the same, how can you claim it's a different body MAITREYA RISHI DASA Yes there’s no disagreement: consciousness is the same but the body is different Who is saying that the dna is the same CHALLENGING ATHIEST there is total disagreement MAITREYA RISHI DASA Is it the dna Itself Saying dna is the same CHALLENGING ATHIEST study of it MAITREYA RISHI DASA This is a study; this is empirical. In every practical sense the body is different. In size, shape and how it interacts with everything Same means identical Not similar CHALLENGING ATHIEST having differences in no way means the body is a completely different body however dna is identical as long as replication succeeds MAITREYA RISHI DASA What is remaining exactly Okay dna CHALLENGING ATHIEST you've still yet to tie any of this to a soul or in fact show such a thing exists MAITREYA RISHI DASA Okay so why can’t we just put dna in a dead body and make it alive again? CHALLENGING ATHIEST seriously? what are you even talking about now MAITREYA RISHI DASA When the body dies You should just put in the dna And it will work again CHALLENGING ATHIEST why do you think that would do anything MAITREYA RISHI DASA If dna is the source of life I don’t, you do CHALLENGING ATHIEST who said dna is the source of life? MAITREYA RISHI DASA You did. You say there’s no soul. CHALLENGING ATHIEST where did I say either of those things? MAITREYA RISHI DASA So what is the source of life according to you CHALLENGING ATHIEST please, read rather than lie about what I have or haven't said MAITREYA RISHI DASA If it’s not the soul and not dna CHALLENGING ATHIEST I don't know but I've said nothing about the soul and I didn't say dna was the source of anything why just make stuff up? MAITREYA RISHI DASA You said that the dna is always the same despite the body changing. So why at death is it not the same CHALLENGING ATHIEST I said that as long as the copying works properly dna remains the same in us you've added all the stuff about death and sources and whatever else you want to add on MAITREYA RISHI DASA Why doesn’t it work properly at death Dna CHALLENGING ATHIEST because we're dead.. MAITREYA RISHI DASA Copying CHALLENGING ATHIEST why don't your eyes work properly when you're dead? MAITREYA RISHI DASA What kind of answer is that CHALLENGING ATHIEST an honest one the power goes off, why would you expect the machinery to still work? MAITREYA RISHI DASA No we’re not dead because the dna is the same according to your philosophy CHALLENGING ATHIEST not what I said at all you really need to stop pretending I've said things I haven't MAITREYA RISHI DASA Machinery you can replace the part And make it work again CHALLENGING ATHIEST not when the power is off MAITREYA RISHI DASA So you should be able to do that with the body CHALLENGING ATHIEST please read what is actually written MAITREYA RISHI DASA So turn the power on again same thing CHALLENGING ATHIEST we don't know how to MAITREYA RISHI DASA Why not? You say it’s dna CHALLENGING ATHIEST I've not said that at all can you copy paste where I said dna is the thing that means we're alive? because I've not written that and you keep on pretending I did MAITREYA RISHI DASA If you don’t know I’m giving you the answer CHALLENGING ATHIEST no you're lying about what I've said MAITREYA RISHI DASA Why do you want to remain in ignorance The answer is the soul CHALLENGING ATHIEST can you show such a thing exists? MAITREYA RISHI DASA The soul leaves the body at the time of death That’s why you can’t revive it CHALLENGING ATHIEST evidence for that please but we have revived people MAITREYA RISHI DASA For eternity? Can you keep reviving them? CHALLENGING ATHIEST does the word "revive" mean "for eternity" ? you said you cannot revive a body after death which is untrue whether or not you can keep doing it doesn't have any bearing on what you said being untrue MAITREYA RISHI DASA You say you don’t know so you should learn from someone who knows CHALLENGING ATHIEST you claim to know do you have evidence for your claim? rather than just these assertions MAITREYA RISHI DASA So you don’t know so why don’t you learn From me CHALLENGING ATHIEST because you don't know you claim to know which is why I'm asking for evidence for your claims please show souls exist MAITREYA RISHI DASA It’s not so easy to have direct perception of the soul; it’s not possible to see something beyond the senses with your senses. That’s logically imposisble CHALLENGING ATHIEST more claims and no, we see things beyond our senses all the time MAITREYA RISHI DASA How CHALLENGING ATHIEST can you see xrays with your eyes? infrared etc etc etc despite all that, you still claim a soul exists please support that claim MAITREYA RISHI DASA Yes so similarly the soul exists beyond your senses I cannot see those things You are correct CHALLENGING ATHIEST yet we can see them using tools we have so your claim that we cannot see things that are beyond our senses is demonstrably incorrect MAITREYA RISHI DASA Similarly mediation is a tool that lets you see the soul CHALLENGING ATHIEST please provide evidence to support your claim MAITREYA RISHI DASA Yes so just like you have to take a picture of the x ray to see it you have to take up mediation to see the soul. Same process. CHALLENGING ATHIEST I have meditated for years how does one see the soul and then how do you verify that what you experienced is what you are claiming it is? MAITREYA RISHI DASA Yes and because have used the wrong process you haven’t perceived the soul. You can’t practice on your own you need a guide CHALLENGING ATHIEST ah so it's jsut me doing it wrong another pathetic answer how do you verify that what you're experiencing is what you claim? MAITREYA RISHI DASA First of all you need a teacher to learn how to mediate. Just as in when you want to perceive dna for example or may subject matter you have to read books and accept some authority in order to understand. CHALLENGING ATHIEST you can see dna without a teacher pointing it out to you which is obvious otherwise we wouldnt have discovered it... MAITREYA RISHI DASA That’s nonsense did you discover dna by yourself? CHALLENGING ATHIEST I don't need to have in order for what I said to be true did the people who discovered dna have a teacher telling them how to do it? the answer is no btw how do you verify that what you're experiencing is what you claim? MAITREYA RISHI DASA How do you know it’s dna You read about it From someone who knows CHALLENGING ATHIEST no MAITREYA RISHI DASA You can’t verify, because you don’t know CHALLENGING ATHIEST dna was hypothesised before discovery so you compare the characteristics of what you find with the characteristics of what you're looking for MAITREYA RISHI DASA Just like a teacher, he can verify if something is correct. The student can’t do it otherwise there would be no meaning to the relationship between teacher and student CHALLENGING ATHIEST sorry mate, but you're scientifically illiterate and no, they didn't "ask teacher" to verify for them so you're saying the only way to verify the soul is just to ask someone else's opinion? no study of it and its characteristics etc? MAITREYA RISHI DASA Yes you can study it but you learn from an authority just like you learn about dna from a teacher or a book CHALLENGING ATHIEST you learn what the characteristics of it are but you said when you meditate you can't verify it yourself, why not? MAITREYA RISHI DASA Did you hypothesize about dna before learning about it? CHALLENGING ATHIEST I don't need to hypothesise about it, it's proven what a strange question MAITREYA RISHI DASA Similarly the soul has been proven CHALLENGING ATHIEST you do understand what a hypothesis is? I disagree the soul has been claimed very much but I've yet to see evidence supporting those claims MAITREYA RISHI DASA I say dna has been claimed CHALLENGING ATHIEST and you'd be demonstrating incredible ignorance we have nothing like the evidence we have for dna to support the claim of the soul you understand we have "read" the dna of many other living things? we can edit it and so on we can move genes from one organism to another as I thought, you have no evidence for your claim you're ignorant of science etc etc sadly, this has been a monumental waste of time MAITREYA RISHI DASA So your process for understanding whether or not dna is dna is that you made a hypothesis about it and then when you saw it you could verify. So similarly you can make a hypothesis about the fact the soul is what is making the body alive, and then you can test that claim with meditation You said you don’t know why the body is dying You would have to take to this process in order to know. Because you don’t know, you can’t verify until you take to the process Well, if you can’t answer I’ll take it as the proof that you are dogmatic

Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Thakura, our grand-spiritual master and a vastly learned, powerful and integral acarya in the Gaudiya sampradaya, took a vow to chant 300,000 names of Krishna every day for ten years before he started preaching Krishna consciousness. In other words, he wanted to do solitary spiritual practice to get inspired to preach. But afterwards, he wrote the following song which expresses his realization of the ineffectiveness of such practice, chastising his mind for not engaging in active preaching. (Of course, we should know that this is just a play of Bhaktisiddhanta Maharaja, he is an eternally liberated soul, but he is writing like this to teach us the proper path) Listen to Srila Prabhupada's rendition by clicking his picture above! Dusta-Mana (1) dusta mana! tumi kiser vaisnava? pratisthar tare, nirjaner ghare, tava 'hari nama' kevala 'kaitava' SYNONYMS dusta mana—O wicked mind!; tumi—you; kiser vaisnava—what kind of devotee?; pratisthar—of prestige; tare—on account of; nirjaner ghare—in a solitary dwelling; tava—your; hari-nama—chanting of the holy name of Lord Hari; kevala—only; kaitava—cheating. TRANSLATION 1) O wicked mind! What kind of Vaisnava do you think you are? Your pretentious show of chanting Lord Hari's holy name in a solitary place is only for the sake of attaining the false prestige of a worldly reputation-it is nothing but pure hypocrisy. (2) jader pratistha, sukarer vistha, jano na ki taha 'mayar vaibhava' kanaka kamini, divasa-yamini, bhaviya ki kaja, anitya se saba SYNONYMS jader—of the material realm; pratistha—fame; sukarer—of a pig; vistha—stool; jano na ki—do you not know?; taha—that; mayar—of the illusory material world; vaibhava—potency; kanaka—gold; kamini—attractive women; divasa yamini—all day and night; bhaviya—thinking; ki kaja—what benefit; anitya—temporary; se saba—all those. TRANSLATION 2) Such materialistic prestige is as disgusting as the stool of a hog. Do you not know that it is only a mere illusion cast by the potency of Maya? What is the value of contemplating day and night your plans for enjoying wealth and women? All these things are only temporary. (3) tomar kanaka, bhoger janaka, kanaker dvare sevaho 'madhava' kaminir kama, nahe tava dhama, tahar-malika kevala 'yadava' SYNONYMS tomar—your; kanaka—gold; bhoger—of enjoyment; janaka—the producer; kanaker dvare—by wealth; sevaho—please serve; madhava—Lord Madhava; kaminir kama—lust for beautiful women; nahe—not; tava—your; dhama—proper place; tahar—its; malika—owner; kevala—is only; yadava—Sri Krsna, the Lord of the Yadu dynasty. TRANSLATION 3) When you claim wealth as your own, it creates in you ever-increasing desires for material enjoyment. Your riches should be used for serving Madhava, the Lord of all wealth. Neither is it your proper place to indulge in lust for women, whose only true proprietor is Lord Yadava. (4) pratisthasa-taru, jada-maya-maru, na pela 'ravana' yujhiya 'raghava' vaisnavi pratistha, tate koro nistha, taha na bhajile labhibe raurava SYNONYMS pratistha-asa—desire for fame; taru—the tree; jada-maya—of material illusion; maru—the desert; na—not; pela—reached; ravana—the demon named Ravana; yujhiya—fighting; raghava—with Lord Ramachandra; vaisnavi—the position of being a vaisnava; pratistha—situation; tate—in that; koro nistha—become fixed; taha—that; na—not; bhajile—if one worships; labhibe—will obtain; raurava—hell. TRANSLATION 4) The demon Ravana (lust-incarnate) fought with Lord Ramachandra (love-incarnate) in order to gain the tree of worldly reputation-but that oasis turned out to be but a mirage cast in the desert wasteland of the Lord's illusory material potency. Please cultivate fixed determination to attain only the steady and solid platform whereupon a Vaisnava ever stands. If you neglect worshiping the Lord from this position, then you will ultimately attain a hellish existence. (5) harijana-dvesa, pratisthasa-klesa, koro keno tabe tahar gaurava vaisnaver pache, pratisthasa ache, ta'te kabhu nahe 'anitya-vaibhava' SYNONYMS hari-jana-dvesa—hatred for the devotees of the Lord; pratistha-asa—desire for fame; klesa—suffering; koro—you endeavor; keno—why?; tabe—then; tahar—its; gaurava—glory; vaisnaver pache—following behind the devotees; pratistha-asa—desire for spiritual position; ache—there is; tate—in that; kabhu nahe—never; anitya—impermanent; vaibhava—wealth. TRANSLATION 5) Why do you needlessly suffer the torment of blaspheming the devotees of Lord Hari, attempting to achieve their eminence, thereby only proving your own fruitless foolishness? The desire for spiritual eminence is easily fulfilled when one becomes a devotee of the Lord, for eternal fame automatically follows the heels of a Vaisnava. And that fame is never to be considered a temporary worldly opulence. (6) se hari-sambandha, sunya-maya-gandha, taha kabhu noy 'jader kaitava' pratistha-candali, nirjanata-jali, ubhaye janiho mayika raurava SYNONYMS se—that; hari-sambandha—relationship with Lord Hari; sunya—free from; maya-gandha—a scent of illusion; taha—that; kabhu noy—never; jader—of materialism; kaitava—cheating; pratistha—worldly reputation; candali—female dog-eater; nirjanata—solitary living; jali—the net; ubhaye—in both; janiho—you should know; mayika—illusory; raurava—hell. TRANSLATION 6) The relationship between a devotee and Lord Hari is devoid of even a trace of worldly illusion; it has nothing to do with the materialistic cheating propensity. The prestige of so-called popularity in the material realm is compared to a treacherous dog-eating witch, and the attempt to live in solitude to supposedly engage in unalloyed bhajan is compared to an entangling network of distraction. Please know that anyone striving in either of these ways verily lives in the hell of Maya's illusion. (7) kirtana chadibo, pratistha makhibo, ki kaja dhudiya tadrsa gaurava madhavendra puri, bhava-ghare curi, na korilo kabhu sadai janabo SYNONYMS kirtana—chanting the Lord's names; chadibo—I will give up; pratistha—worldly reputation; makhibo—I will besmear myself; ki kaja—what benefit; dhudiya—seeking; tadrsa—that kind of; gaurava—grandeur; madhavendra puri—the sage Madhavendra Puri; bhava-ghare—in the storehouse of perception; curi—stealing; na korilo—he did not do; kabhu—ever; sadai—always; janabo—I will remind you. TRANSLATION 7) "I shall give up chanting the Lord's name publicly in kirtan and retire to solitude, thus smearing myself with worldly honor." Dear mind, what is the good of seeking such so-called glory? I will always remind you that the great soul Madhavendra Puri never deceived himself in that regard by committing theft in his own storehouse of perception the way you do. (8) tomar pratistha,-'sukarer vistha', tar-saha sama kabhu na manava matsarata-vase, tumi jada-rase, majecho chadiya kirtana-saustava SYNONYMS tomar—your; pratistha—popularity; sukarer vistha—the stool of a hog; tar-saha—with that; sama—equal; kabhu na—never; manava—an ordinary human being; matsarata—pride; vase—under the control of; tumi—you; jada-rase—in the mellows of mundane sense pleasures; majecho—you are sunk; chadiya—having given up; kirtana-saustava—the excellence of the sankirtan movement. TRANSLATION 8) Your cheap reputation is equal to the stool of a hog. An ordinary ambitious man like you can never be equated with a devotee of Madhavendra Puri's eminence. Under the sway of envy, you have drowned yourself in the filthy waters of material enjoyment after having abandoned the excellent perfection of congregational kirtan. (9) tai dusta mana, 'nirjana bhajan,' pracaricho chale 'kuyogi-vaibhava' prabhu sanatane, parama jatane, siksa dilo yaha, cinto sei saba SYNONYMS tai—therefore; dusta mana—O wicked mind!; nirjana bhajan—solitary worship; pracaricho—you are preaching; chale—by trick; ku-yogi-vaibhava—the opulence of a false yogi; prabhu—Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu; sanatane—to Sanatana Goswami; parama jatane—with great care; siksa dilo—gave instructions; yaha—which; cinto—please contemplate; sei saba—all those. TRANSLATION 9) Truly, O wicked mind, the glories of so-called solitary worship are propagated only by false yogis using unscrupulous means to deceive others. To save yourself from these pitfalls, please contemplate the instructions that the Supreme Lord Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu kindly gave us while addressing Srila Sanatana Goswami with the utmost care. (10) sei du'ti katha, bhulo' na sarvatha, uccaih-svare koro 'hari-nama-rava' 'phalgu' ar 'yukta,' 'baddha' ar 'mukta,' kabhu na bhaviho, ekakar saba SYNONYMS sei—these; du'ti—two; katha—topics; bhulo' na—don't forget; sarvatha—in all circumstances; uccaih-svare—in a loud voice; koro—perform; hari-nama-rava—the sound of chanting the Lord's holy names; phalgu—false; ar—and; yukta—befitting (linked with Krsna); baddha—bound in maya; ar—and; mukta—liberated; kabhu na—never; bhaviho—consider; ekakar—one in the same form; saba—all these. TRANSLATION 10) Do not forget for a moment the two most valuable concepts that He taught: 1) the principle of dry, apparent renunciation as opposed to real, appropriate renunciation; and 2) the principle of a soul being trapped in the bondage of matter as opposed to a soul who is liberated. Don't ever make the mistake of thinking that these conflicting concepts are on the same level. Please remember this while engaging yourself in chanting the Lord's holy names as loud as you possibly can. (11) 'kanaka-kamini,' 'pratistha-baghini,' chadiyache jare, sei to' vaisnava sei 'anasakta,' sei 'suddha-bhakta,' samsar tatha pay parabhava SYNONYMS kanaka-kamini—enjoyment of wealth and women; pratistha-baghini—the tigress of worldly reputation; chadiyache—has given up; jare—who; sei—he; to'—certainly; vaisnava—a devotee; sei—he; anasakta—unattached; sei—he alone; suddha-bhakta—is a pure devotee; samsar—the material world; tatha—in this manner; pay—gets; parabhava—defeated. TRANSLATION 11) One is truly a Vaisnava who has given up the habit of falling victim to the ferocious tigress of wealth, beauty, and fame. Such a soul is factually detached from material life, and is known as a pure devotee. Someone with this consciousness of detachment has thereby become victorious over the mundane world of birth and death. (12) yatha-yogya bhoga, nahi tatha roga, 'anasakta' sei, ki ar kahabo 'asakti-rohita,' 'sambandha-sahita,' visaya-samuha sakali 'madhava' SYNONYMS yatha-yogya—whatever is appropriate for survival; bhoga—enjoyment; nahi—is not; tatha—in that way; roga—the disease (of materialism); anasakta—detached; sei—he; ki ar—what more; kahabo—shall I say; asakti-rohita—devoid of attachment; sambandha-sahita—endowed with a relationship; visaya-samuha—the multitude of sense objects; sakali—all; madhava—Lord Madhava. TRANSLATION 12) One is indeed detached who moderately partakes of worldly things that are deemed necessary for living in devotional service; a devotee acting in that manner does not fall prey to the disease of material infatuation. Thus devoid of selfish attachment, and endowed with the ability to see things in relation to the Lord, all sense objects are then directly perceived as being Lord Madhava Himself. (13) se 'yukta-vairagya,' taha to' saubhagya, taha-i jadete harir vaibhava kirtane jahar, 'pratistha-sambhar,' tahar sampatti kevala 'kaitava' SYNONYMS se—this; yukta-vairagya—renunciation that is connected with Krsna's enjoyment; taha—that; to'—indeed; saubhagya—great fortune; taha-i—only that; jadete—in the material world; harir—of Lord Hari; vaibhava—the opulence; kirtane—in chanting the Lord's names; jahar—whose; pratistha-sambhar—heaps of ambition for recognition; tahar—its; sampatti—opulence; kevala—only; kaitava—cheating. TRANSLATION 13) This is the standard of befitting renunciation, and one who realizes this is most fortunate indeed. Everything involved in such a devotee's life represents Lord Hari's personal spiritual opulence as manifest in the world of matter. On the other hand, one who engages in chanting the Lord's name with hopes of enhancing his own material reputation finds that all his activities and paraphernalia represent only the riches of hypocrisy. (14) 'visaya-mumuksu,' 'bhoger bubhuksu,' du'ye tyajo mana, dui 'avaisnava' 'krsner sambandha,' aprakrta-skandha, kabhu nahe taha jader sambhava SYNONYMS visaya-mumuksu—one who desires liberation from the material world; bhoger bubhuksu—one who desires to enjoy sense gratification; du'ye—both; tyajo—please reject; mana—O mind!; dui—the two; avaisnava—non-devotees; krsner—with Krsna; sambandha—relationship; aprakrta-skandha—things belonging to the transcendental realm; kabhu nahe—never; taha—that; jader sambhava—of material origin. TRANSLATION 14) O mind, please reject the company of two types of persons-those desiring impersonal liberation from the material world, and those who desire to enjoy the pleasure of material sense objects. Both of these are equally non-devotees. The things that are used in relation to Lord Krsna are objects belonging directly to the transcendental realm, and thus having nothing to do with matter they cannot be either owned or forsaken by persons interested in mundane enjoyment or renunciation. (15) 'mayavadi jana,' krsnetara mana, mukta abhimane se ninde vaisnava vaisnaver das, tava bhakti-as, keno va dakicho nirjana-ahava SYNONYMS mayavadi jana—the impersonalist; krsnetara—opposed to Krsna; mana—mentality; mukta abhimane—proudly considering himself liberated; se—he; ninde—blasphemes; vaisnava—the devotees; vaisnaver das—servant of the devotees; tava—your; bhakti-as—devotional desire; keno va—why then; dakicho—you call out; nirjana-ahava—fighting for solitude. TRANSLATION 15) An impersonal philospher is opposed to thinking of Krsna as an object of devotion, and thus being puffed up with the false pride of imaginary liberation he dares to criticize the true devotees of the Lord. O mind, you are the servant of the Vaisnavas, and you should always hope for attaining devotion. Why then do you make such a loud commotion by calling to me and trying to prove the supposed supremacy of your practice of solitary worship? (16) je 'phalgu-vairagi,' kohe nije 'tyagi,' se na pare kabhu hoite 'vaisnava' hari-pada chadi', 'nirjanata badi,' labhiya ki phala, 'phalgu' se vaibhava SYNONYMS je—who; phalgu-vairagi—false renunciant; kohe nije—calls himself; tyagi—an accomplished renunciant; se—he; na pare—is not able; kabhu hoite—to ever be; vaisnava—a devotee; hari-pada—the lotus feet of the Lord; chadi'—rejecting; nirjanata badi—residence in solitude; labhiya—obtaining; ki phala—what result?; phalgu—false; se vaibhava—that opulence. TRANSLATION 16) One who falsely gives up things that could actually be used in the Lord's service proudly calls himself a 'renunciate,' but unfortunately he can never become a Vaisnava by such an attitude. Abandoning his servitorship to the lotus feet of Lord Hari, and resigning himself to his solitary home-whatever is gained by that exercise can only be the worthless treasure of deception. (17) radha-dasye rohi', chadi 'bhoga-ahi,' 'pratisthasa' nahe 'kirtana-gaurava' 'radha-nitya-jana,' taha chadi' mana, keno va nirjana-bhajana-kaitava SYNONYMS radha-dasye—in service to Sri Radha; rohi'—remaining; chadi—giving up; bhoga-ahi—the snake of selfish enjoyment; pratistha-asa—ambition for recognition; nahe—is not; kirtana-gaurava—the glory of congregational chanting; radha-nitya-jana—being the eternal servant of Radha; taha chadi'—rejecting that; mana—O mind!; keno va—why then; nirjana-bhajana—solitary worship; kaitava—cheating. TRANSLATION 17) Ever engage yourself in the service of Sri Radha, and keep aloof from the vicious snake of materialistic sense gratification. The glory of participating in the Lord's kirtan is not meant to bolster anyone's ambitions for personal recognition. O mind, why then have you abandoned the identity of being Radha's eternal servant in favor of retiring to a solitary place to practice the cheating process of so-called bhajan? (18) vraja-vasi-gana, pracaraka-dhana, pratistha-bhiksuka ta'ra nahe 'sava' prana ache ta'r, se-hetu pracar, pratisthasa-hina-'krsna-gatha' saba SYNONYMS vraja-vasi-gana—the residents of Vraja; pracaraka—preachers; dhana—the treasure; pratistha-bhiksuka—beggars for worldly fame; ta'ra—they; nahe—are not; sava—a dead body; prana ache—there is life; ta'r—theirs; se-hetu—for that reason; pracar—preaching; pratistha-asa-hina—devoid of ambition for fame; krsna-gatha—songs about Krsna; saba—all. TRANSLATION 18) The most valuable treasures amongst the Lord's preachers are the eternal personalities residing in Vraja-dham. They never occupy themselves with begging for worthless material reputation, which is cherished only by the living dead. The Vraja-vasis are truly infused with life, and therefore they preach in order to give life to the walking corpses of the mundane world. All the songs that the Vraja-vasis sing about the glories of Lord Krsna are devoid of any tinge of desire for fame. (19) sri-dayita-das, kirtanete as, koro uccaih-svare 'hari-nama-rava' kirtana-prabhave, smarana svabhave, se kale bhajana-nirjana sambhava SYNONYMS sri-dayita-das—the servant of Radha's beloved Krsna (Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati); kirtanete—for congregational chanting; as—desirous; koro—please perform; uccaih-svare—in a loud voice; hari-nama-rava—the sound of the Lord's holy names; kirtana-prabhave—by the power of the chanting; smarana—remembering the Lord's pastimes; svabhave—in one's own original spiritual mood; se kale—at that time; bhajana-nirjana—worship in solitude; sambhava—possible. TRANSLATION 19) This humble servant of Radha and Her beloved Krsna always hopes for kirtan, and he begs all to loudly sing the names of Lord Hari. The transcendental power of congregational chanting automatically awakens remembrance of the Lord and His divine pastimes in relation to one's own eternal spiritual form. Only at that time does it become possible to go off to a solitary place and engage in the confidential worship of Their Lordships.*

Srila Prabhupada reveals in the following conversation the qualification of his successor. If there is an acharya succeeding him, he must meet this criteria. Otherwise he is simply a pretender. Upendra: We may develop at least maybe half of your energy to continuously preach someday? Prabhupada: Continuously? Syamasundara: He says that someday he hopes that the devotees, your disciples, may acquire half of the energy that you have for preaching. Prabhupada: Why not full, or double? You may have doubled. Upendra: It's inconceivable. Prabhupada: Just like my Guru Maharaja did not travel all over the world, so I have got double energy than him. So you must triple energy, four times energy than me. Then actually disciple. My Godbrothers are envious because they could not do. They could not do even half of Guru Maharaja's work, and I am doing ten times. So therefore they are envious. So if an ordinary man like me can do ten times, you are Americans -- [laughs] twenty times, then you are successful. Room Conversation – April 2, 1972, Sydney