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Before The Government is Changed, The People Must be Changed.

We are all feeling the need for a change in leadership; our present world leaders simply seem to be making things worse. But it will require the hearts of the people in general to be changed first, otherwise simply more rascals will be voted in. Srila Prabhupada explains the position in the following morning walk.


Devotee: Srila Prabhupada, will the Krsna consciousness movement will take over the world eventually?


Prabhupada: Huh?


French devotee: Is going to take over the world eventually some time during the Kali-yuga, in this Kali-yuga?


Prabhupada: No, that is not possible, because only the fortunate persons will take.


French devotee: I mean, but will the power of the ksatriyas will be in the hands of the Krsna conscious persons sometime during this Kali-yuga?


Prabhupada: Provided you become very expert to preach. Unless you preach, how they will take? (break)


Pusta Krsna: Towards the end of the Kali-yuga isn't there a description in the Bhagavatam that one will not be able to see the sun or the moon?


Prabhupada: During the end of Kali-yuga?


Pusta Krsna: Yes. Because of the impiety. So there will be no vegetation. Is that description in Srimad-Bhagavatam?


Prabhupada: I don't think. (break) . . .it is stated?


Pusta Krsna: Well, I had heard—of course, I'm not certain of the source—that because of impiety the sun and the moon, people would not be able to see. So there would be no vegetation. And without vegetation, even animals cannot live. So eventually they would take to eating their own children. Is this what takes place?


Prabhupada: Yes, there will be no foodstuff at the end of. . . That is stated. No milk, no food grains, no fruits, no whatever. Especially food grains.


Devotee (2): There will be some devotees left at the end of Kali-yuga?


Prabhupada: Yes, only the devotees will be left. All others. . . (break) (loud noise of car screeching) . . .are not very neat and clean. (chuckles) Yes. That means condition is not very good. And it is sound.


Brahmananda: Not in proper repair.


Prabhupada: Yes.


Pusta Krsna: We had an engagement last night at a technical school after your lecture, and inside the entrance of the technical school in a big glass case they had a big engine from a car, when you walk into the technical school. Mostly Indians, young boys.


Prabhupada: Oh, foreigners.


Pusta Krsna: Yes. (break) So they were very disrespectful actually. But when we started kirtana, the whole atmosphere changed. Do you think that the young Indian boys, in the future, they will become anywhere near as pious as their parents?


Prabhupada: Why do you take India? We are talking of the whole world. There is no question of "India," "Europe," "America." (break)


Brahmananda: . . .Srimad-Bhagavatam about the kiratas and so on. That means we can go to any community in the world. . .


Prabhupada: Oh, yes.


Brahmananda: . . .and preach, and some will join.


Prabhupada: Yes. That is actually happening.


French devotee: Prabhupada, has there been an incarnation of Krsna outside India, somewhere else in another part of the world? Or does He always comes in India?


Prabhupada: Yes. Saktyavesa avatara, somebody empowered by Him, not Krsna Himself. Just like Christ. Christ is also empowered incarnation. Saktyavesa avatara. Muhammad is also. Anyone who is preaching about God is empowered incarnation. Krsna-sakti vina nahi krsna nama-pracara. That is there in the Caitanya-caritamrta. (break)


Devotee (2): . . .that your initiated disciples had some relationship with Lord Caitanya when He was on this earth?


Prabhupada: Everyone has relationship, all living entities. (break)


Brahmananda: He is Visvambhara, means the maintainer of all living entities. (break)


Prabhupada: Yes. (reading sign?) Prince of Wales. Prince of Wales, I think this, I think he is dead now. King Edward, I mean to say, George's elder brother? No, not George's. George VI. His elder brother? Edward? When he was Prince of Wales he was actually to be the emperor, or King of England. But he married one common girl, and therefore he was refused. So he, as Prince of Wales, he went to India. And when he saw the bright sunshine, he was surprised. (laughter) Yes.


Brahmananda: He had never seen.


Prabhupada: He, or before him, another prince. Because that Prince of. . . We were at that time children. So I think King George V, when he was Prince of Wales.


Brahmananda: Oh, when he came to Calcutta?


Prabhupada: Yes. I have seen. We were schoolchildren at that time. So on the two sides of the road, our first place was, the king, queen passed. We saw. We were given a flag. (laughter) "Jaya Raja, Rajesvara." We were. . . And very good tiffin was supplied: two samosa, two kachori, two sandesa, and one big tangerine. Twice I saw. Once when he entered Calcutta, and again, one day, when there was a parade of military. Military parade. So both days we were invited, and we saw the king. (break)


Brahmananda: . . .Calcutta, on the Maidan, there's that big building, that big memorial. Is that. . .


Prabhupada: Oh, Victoria Memorial.


Brahmananda: That was built for the king when he was coming?


Prabhupada: No, that was built in memory of Victoria. It was done imitating the Taj Mahal. It took twenty years. Sir Rajendra Nath Mukherjee of Martin Company, he took the contract. And after finishing, he got this title "Sir." And when it was being constructed, I went to the top by crossing the scaffolding.


Brahmananda: So you must have been very brave.


Prabhupada: Yes, I am still brave. (laughter) Otherwise how could I come alone to preach Krsna consciousness? I am still brave.


Devotees: Jaya, Srila Prabhupada!


Prabhupada: Some astrologer told that "This boy, for executing his purpose, he will enter into the fire." Yes. (break) . . .recently, in our Bombay affair, it was fight with the fire. Is it not?


Brahmananda: Yes. Oh, yes.


Prabhupada: And we have come out victorious.


Brahmananda: Yes. All glories to Srila Prabhupada.


Prabhupada: So much obstacle, still going on. Now the governor is cornered.


Brahmananda: The governor of Maharashtra.


Prabhupada: Yes, Bombay. If he says yes, that is also dangerous; if he says no, that is also dangerous. (break)


Brahmananda: We do not really understand how demoniac, how calculating, our leaders are.


Prabhupada: Huh?


Brahmananda: We have the impression, because we are taught from the very beginning in the schools, that the leaders are to be worshiped, that their birthdays are to be celebrated. . .


Prabhupada: Where you are going?


Srutakirti: He's going to pick up that lawyer.


Prabhupada: Oh.


Brahmananda: It is difficult to come to that understanding, that actually, those who are the leaders are not to be trusted.


Prabhupada: Yes, leaders means government men. That is described. They are all thieves and rogues, anywhere. Dasyu-dharmabhih. Dasyu. Dasyu means plunderers, rogues. Unless you become a rogue you cannot go to the government. You cannot. . . Any honest man cannot stay with these government men. That is not possible at the present age. Any government. Unless. . . Just like first-class rogue, your Nixon, he became the president. Because he was a first-class rogue, he became the president. So unless you are first-class rogue, you cannot stay within the circle of government men. Rajanya dasyu-dharmabhih. And their business will be to eat up the vital force of the people. Bhaksayisyanti praja sarve rajanya dasyu-dharmabhih. This is the statement. And people will be harassed. On account of their godlessness, they will be harassed by three things: famine, no rain, and taxation. Taxation by the government, and there will be no rain, there will be famine, no food, and they will be so much embarrassed that they will give up their family and go away, gacchanti giri-kananam, will go, enter into the hills and forest, giving up their hearth and home. This is Kali-yuga. And this is due to their godlessness. On account of this, then the democracy—means anyone, brahmana, ksatriya, vaisya, sudra—anyone who becomes powerful, he will capture the government post. So the sudras, they are now powerful. Sudras. Industry means sudra. So they will capture the governmental power. Just like Communist.


Devotee (2): Even if we present a Krsna conscious candidate, the people will still choose a rogue to lead them, even if we present a candidate who is Krsna conscious.


Prabhupada: Canada we have got already temples.


Brahmananda: Candidate. Someone to stand for the election.


Prabhupada: You cannot do anything. Unless you turn the mass of people Krsna conscious, what you will do there? Suppose one man is elected. All demons. What he will do there? Therefore the first thing is that turn the people Krsna conscious, and when they will vote, that is certain. Otherwise, it is waste of time.


Morning walk, London, March 11 1975.

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