The following is a chat I had with someone who wanted evidence for the soul being different from the body. However, he didn't want to actually hear the answer. So what was the use of asking? This is a principle that preachers often encounter; people may come, but they don't come to understand, they simply want to argue. Here's how I dealt with it.

CHALLENGING ATHIEST
claims need evidence my friend
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
yes there is evidence your body is changing is it not?
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
and what is that evidence of?
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
That you are not the body
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
why do think that is evidence of that? that's an unwarranted leap
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
The body you had when you were a child is gone. Yes?
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
no it changed
how do you get from that change to "therefore you're not in your body"
especially given what we know about brain damage causing personality changes
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
Changed means different body
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
no, it means the body changed
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
Changed is different. Can you say you a child’s body?
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
genetically, yes it's the same
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
I didn’t say genetically
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
you said it was a different body, which is incorrect
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
Is it the same body? let us speak in layman’s terms
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
we are speaking in layman's terms
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
Is a child’s body the same as an adult body in all practical aspects?
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
that's a different question
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
Can you walk around In a diaper as an adult?
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
yes you can
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
Will people have the same reaction as when a child does it
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
how is that remotely relevant to your point?
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
Will they?
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
it's not relevant
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
You are dodging
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
the question has nothing to do with what we're discussing
kindly support your claim
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
Ah very bad how can we have a civil debate if you can’t answer basic questions
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
if you can explain why it's relevant...
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
It’s absolutely directly connected
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
why do you think that
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
You may not be able to understand how at this point but I promise you it’s connected. I think you know that it is and therefore you are avoiding answering
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
so explain how it is connected...
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
It’s clearly connected it’s self explanatory, why don’t you just answer it so we can move forward? Do you think I’m such a fool that I just ask off topic questions? I don’t have time to waste in that way
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
it's not self explanatory at all
I don't see any relevance to the question, it's a waste of time
can you or can you not support your claim?
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
No first you answer my question then you can ask
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
show why the question is even slightly relevant
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
Because I’m already answering your questioning but you don’t want to hear the answer.
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
that doesn't somehow mean that any question you ask is relevant
and no, I want an answer
just one that's actually coherent
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
You are very expert in dodging sir
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
means nothing from you
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
Well if you don’t like how I answer what can I do
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
you haven't answered why it's relevant
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
Why ask a question if you don’t want to hear the answer
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
you've said "oh it's just self explanatory" which doesn't answer the question
why pretend you know what I do or don't want?
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
That’s quite foolish. Imagine you’re walking in a forest and you ask someone “how do I get out of here?” And he says “go that way” and you reply “no I’ll go my own way.” That person would be a fool right? Why even ask in the first place
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
that doesn't map onto this at all
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
Why not?
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
no part of that is comparable to our situation
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
You asked a question. I answer. You reject my answer
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
you didn't answer though
and if you think that's comparable to asking directions in the forest then I don't know what to say to you
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
No I was trying but you didn’t want to hear
Hence the example
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
I do want to hear, but I want to hear an actual answer
the example didn't work
why does how someone reacts to how someone else is dressed have any bearing on what you claim?
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
Well who are you to determine what a “real” answer is? If you already know then why ask? That’s why I used the example
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
I didnt say real answer did I
your example was pathetic
it doesn't apply
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
You said “actual”
Same thing
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
yes, not real
no, not same thing if you understand the language
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
“I do want to hear, but I want to hear an actual answer”
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
yes an actual answer, rather than not an answer
which is what you keep offering
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
What is the difference I am a fool please tell me
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
read
why does how someone reacts to how someone else is dressed have any bearing on what you claim?
why does a body changing mean what you think it does?
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
You keep avoiding my answer so why should I keep trying to explain it to you
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
avoiding?
mate you need to learn what words mean
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
If I start again you will say “no I want an actual answer”
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
if you don't answer then yes I will ask for an answer
replying something not related to the question is not an answer
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
Well if you are the only person who can determine what a real answer is there’s no point in asking anybody anything
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
I didn't say real answer
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
“Actual”
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
you need to learn English
yes, an actual answer
as opposed to not an answer
for the second time of writing...
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
I am not so expert to see the difference it appears they mean the same thing
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
clearly
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
Well at least the affect is the same
I give you an answer and you don’t accept it
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
nope
that's not what is happenign
you haven't answered the question
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
Again
You just did it again
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
as I have said, repeatedly now
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
All my answers you reject
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
you are not answering the question
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
What can I do
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
you can actually address what was asked
ie answer the question
rather than what you are doing, which is not addressing what is asked
why does how someone reacts to how someone else is dressed have any bearing on what you claim?
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
As far as I remember that’s what you just did because I asked you something in order to answer you and just didn’t address it
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
okay cya
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
Bye bye
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
you don't appear to be able to support what you claim
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
I think you have definitely shown that you don’t like to accept answers but still ask questions
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
wow
you
havent
answered
what
was
asked
I don't know if it's a problem with your English or what
but you are not addressing what the question asks
do you understand that?
if I ask you what your favourite fruit is and you say 11
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
Hm anyway I think my time would be better answering people who actually want the answer
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
that you're not answering the question
okay you clearly don't actually understand english to a decent level
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
And who don’t just ask to argue
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
I
I'm asking to get the answer
and you're not actually reading or understanding or answering the question
but sure, run away
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
Well when I try to give it all I get is you not moving forward and accepting my answer
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
because it's not an answer to the question that was asked
what part of that do you not understand?
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
I think this may be a case of projection
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
can you show me why a body changing is evidence of a soul
guess not
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
If I give you the answer will you accept it?
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
not automatically accepting something I havent read
is that really what you demand?
that people accept your claims before they even hear the justification for them?
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
At least people should accept to hear the answer
Otherwise what is the use of asking
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
I want to hear an answer, problem is you haven't been answering what was actually asked
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
I may not answer in the way you demand but I’m not your servant
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
you've not been addressing what was asked
nothing to do with my demands
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
So because you approached me you should accept the way I answer you
You don’t have to accept the answer
But the way I give the answer you must accept
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
if "the way" you answer me is to not actually answer the question
but just say something else
then why must I accept that?
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
No you didn’t let me finish
I was in the middle of answering you but you didn’t let me move forward so what can I do
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
it's text, not as if you can't write if someone else is writing
and no, you were in the middle of saying that I really should accept your answer
that's not answering
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
No but I was asking you a question in order to answer your question and you didn’t want to answer
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
because I don't see how that question is relevant
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
Well that’s your problem not mine
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
if you like
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
Yes
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
why does how someone reacts to how someone else is dressed have any bearing on what you claim?
think I may have asked this five times now
but yeah, it's me that is refusing to answer right
trying to find out why you think what you do, but I'm just not interested?
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
Well yes because I asked a question and now instead of answering you are just asking this question so I would say you are the one refusing
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
I'm asking that question to try to get past the block
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
There is no block
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
we disagree
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
You just don’t want to answer my question
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
because I don't see why it is relevant
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
If you answer there is no block
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
if you say why it's relevant I will answer
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
You may or may not see that’s another thing
But you asked me
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
so help me see rather than act like this
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
So you should accept how I answer the question
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
that's nonsense
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
Why
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
not how reality or logic works
you don't just get to say that you can answer in any way you like, even when that way is by asking seemingly irrelevant questions
why does a body changing mean what you think it means?
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
Imagine it like this, you go to school to learn right? So now you take up to the math course or whatever; then the teacher starts giving you formula to work out the problems and you say “no I don’t like these formulas” is that very intelligent?

CHALLENGING ATHIEST
that's not what is happening though
not even remotely applicable
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
Why not
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
because youre not a teacher
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
Well you are asking me
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
for one
I'm asking you about your opinion
why you think one thing means another thing
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
It’s an analogy so it doesn’t have to be that you are a math student to understand the principle
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
your opinions are not mathetmatical formulas
it's a shit analogy
basically none of it maps, yet again
why does a body changing mean what you think it means?
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
Hm well I’m cautious to answer you because everything I say you reject
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
then support what you claim better
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
That’s what I’m trying to do but you don’t like it so why do you say like that
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
I disagree that you are
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
Not all the proofs have to be exactly what you expect them to be what do you think you’re god or what
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
I don't see how asking a question about an adult in diapers gets us closer to the answer
so I ask you why that's relevant
and you do all this
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
No see my above answer
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
I'm not saying it has to be anything
I'm asking you to explain why that's relevant
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
Yes you are every time I answer you you say that’s not how I can answer
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
copy paste where I've said that
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
Otherwise why don’t you just answer the question
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
I don't see how asking a question about an adult in diapers gets us closer to the answer
so I asked you to tell me why it does
and you behave like I've insulted you greatly and called you a fool
and I'm just being oh so nasty and won't listen to anything
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
You might not see you are not omniscient but I see and I’m the one you are asking for an answer
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
hahaha
you're pathetic :)
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
Now we are just name calling so this conversation has turned into rather childish affair
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
if you were omniscient, you'd be able to answer simple questions
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
Anyways
I didn’t say I was
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
glad to see you couldn't even get close to supporting what you claim
you implied that you were, you know...English
last try, how does asking a question about an adult in diapers gets us closer to the answer?
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
That is your misunderstanding: I said I can see because I’m the one who has the answer you’re asking for so I know how and why a question I’m asking is relevant
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
no that's your use of English
and I've asked you to explain why it's relevant
and you refuse
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
Sorry but I just can’t waste my time like this with someone who doesn’t want to know the answer
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
someone who keeps asking for the answer, and for you to explain why you think what you think doesn't want the ansewr
sure
just run away, it's easier than explaining
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
Why are you asking a teacher why he’s teaching like the way is? Isn’t that foolishness. Try to understand the example.
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
that's not what I'm doing
and you're not a teacher
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
Well you’re asking me something
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
your opinion
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
If you didn’t want me to teach you why do you ask
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
it's not teaching
it's asking you about your opinion
shrink your ego just a little
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
What is the difference?
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
huge
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
Okay well let’s use a better word then that is of your choosing
But the principle is why approach me for an answer if you don’t like the way I answer you
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
so if you come to me and ask me something mathematical
and I answer you with "egg sandwich"
then you should just be happy with the answer?
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
Well if that was your final answer yes that would be confusing.
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
you'd accept it?
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
I’d accept you as a fool certainly
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
according to what you just said you should accept it
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
But that’s not where I was stopping
I was going further but you don’t want to hear
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
according to your own logic you should accept that answer
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
No
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
yes
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
That’s another thing
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
any danger of you explaining why someone's reaction to someone else in a diaper is relevant to your explanation of why you think a body changing means there is a soul?
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
If you explained why an egg sandwich is an answer to something mathematical the I might accept your answer
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
that's not what you said
you also seem to think that people should know how you're going to answer before they approach or ask you a question
which is more nonsense
any danger of you explaining why someone's reaction to someone else in a diaper is relevant to your explanation of why you think a body changing means there is a soul?
can we get back to the actual question of your claim
you said that a body changing is evidence there is a soul did you not?
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
Any danger in answering if people’s reactions to an adult wearing a diaper would be different to the reactions to a child wearing diaper?
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
sure, I can answer that once you tell me its relevance
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
No why do I have to do that? I say it has relevance and you are the one asking me
So you should accept that it has relevance
You do not know
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
so you want me to just automatically accept everything you say?
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
That’s why you’re asking
You do not know otherwise why would you be asking
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
so me not knowing means I should just accept what you say?
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
You must at least accept the way I answer
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
no
not if you answer nonsensically
for example
I want reasons to think what you say is true
not to just accept it
do you really not see why?
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
You don’t know whether or not I’m answering nonsensically because you don’t know, otherwise why would you ask
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
that's not how it works
you can see if an answer is nonsensical without needing to know the reality
back to my "egg sandwich" example
do you just believe everything that you are told?
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
Yes that’s how it works everywhere. You go to a doctor and ask him a question about your health and so he asks you questions about where the pain is or what your diet is like etc. and if you say “why are you asking these questions? I don’t accept them” aren’t you a fool?
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
no that's not how it works
so you go to the doctor
and he asks you how may egg sandwiches you have in the car
you just answer that, without asking why they want to know that?
or why they could possibly want to know that
you saying something that, as far as I can tell, makes no sense
so I'm asking you why you think it makes sense
can you tell me why someone's reaction to diapers on an adult/child has any bearing on what you're claiming?
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
It makes no sense to you because you are not in knowledge of the answer otherwise why would you be asking a question
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
so why not help me understand why it makes sense to you? rather than just demanding I accept it
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
I don’t demand but you are demanding an answer from me I am trying to explain it you and yet you don’t like to accept the way I explain it so what can I do
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
you are demanding
you want me to just answer it without thinking it has any relevance
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
You started this message thread an asked me first
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
yes I asked you to support what you claim
as the burden of proof is on you
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
Yes so you demanded from me
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
logically you have the burden of proof, nothing to do with me
and has nothing to do with me asking you to explain why the question is relevant
you're not going to explain are you?
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
I will if you accept how I explain it otherwise why should I waste my time
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
I cannot say I will accept how you say it blindly
I need to see how you explain it
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
Why
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
because in order to evaluate what you're saying I have to read it first
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
Yes so you should hear
Not reject
Then you can evaluate
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
have to hear before you can accept or reject
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
Yes
Very good
You have understood
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
so for the billionth time...
That's what I've been saying from the start
don't try to be patronising
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
I’m not trying
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
another thing we disagree on
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
That’s alright that’s clear
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
so why is how someone reacts to a diaper relevant
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
So if you kindly answer my question you will quickly understand why I asked it and why it’s relevant
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
you said you'd explain why it's relevant....
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
I promise you you will understand if you answer
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
**** me
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
No thanks
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
I will answer if you explain why it's relevant
as we just agreed
or those of us who speak english did
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
It’s not possible to explain. The only way you can understand dis if you answer
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
you can't explain why it's relevant?
please stop lying
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
How do you know I’m lying
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
kindly explain why how someone reacts to clothing has anything to do with why you claim a changing body neccessarily means a soul
because if you couldn't explain why it's relevant you wouldn't have been able to go down this line of reasoning in the first place
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
I know this is very important to you, but I promise you can’t understand the relevance until you answer because only at that point will you seen the connection
I can understand if it’s relevant because I know the answer
But you don’t know yet
Which is clear because you asked the question in the first place
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
wow back to trying to be patronising
you really need to work on that
if you don't mean it that is
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
No it is important to you that’s a fact because you’ve been pressing on this point for so long
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
I've been asking you to explain your claim
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
Is it not
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
if it's the truth I'd like to hear it
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
If it was not important you wouldn’t ask so many times
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
I'd like to accept true things
I'm asking so many times because you;re refusing to answer
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
No I don’t want to appear patronizing but this is clearly important to you so I want to you to know the answer
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
sure people react differently to different people wearing different things
pathetic that you couldn't explain the relevance though
truly

MAITREYA RISHI DASA
Okay so why do they react differently if it’s the same body
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
because the body changes I guess
it's still my body however
not to mention, morality, religion, sexuality etc etc etc
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
If it’s your body then keep it
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
not sure what that even means
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
The body you had before is gone because people now react differently to the body you have now. Aka it’s a different body
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
that last bit just doesn't follow
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
How can you be your body if it’s different now but you are still here.
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
it's a changed body
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
It’s a totally different body
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
no it's not though
same dna, same consciousness
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
If it’s the same then why do people react differently
Yes exaclty
Same consciousness
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
for the reasons I gave
if the dna are the "instructions" and that's the same, how can you claim it's a different body
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
Yes there’s no disagreement: consciousness is the same but the body is different
Who is saying that the dna is the same
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
there is total disagreement
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
Is it the dna
Itself
Saying dna is the same
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
study of it
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
This is a study; this is empirical. In every practical sense the body is different. In size, shape and how it interacts with everything
Same means identical
Not similar
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
having differences in no way means the body is a completely different body however
dna is identical as long as replication succeeds
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
What is remaining exactly
Okay dna
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
you've still yet to tie any of this to a soul
or in fact show such a thing exists
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
Okay so why can’t we just put dna in a dead body and make it alive again?
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
seriously?
what are you even talking about now
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
When the body dies
You should just put in the dna
And it will work again
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
why do you think that would do anything
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
If dna is the source of life
I don’t, you do
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
who said dna is the source of life?
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
You did. You say there’s no soul.
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
where did I say either of those things?
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
So what is the source of life according to you
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
please, read rather than lie about what I have or haven't said
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
If it’s not the soul and not dna
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
I don't know
but I've said nothing about the soul
and I didn't say dna was the source of anything
why just make stuff up?
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
You said that the dna is always the same despite the body changing. So why at death is it not the same
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
I said that as long as the copying works properly dna remains the same in us
you've added all the stuff about death and sources and whatever else you want to add on
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
Why doesn’t it work properly at death
Dna
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
because we're dead..
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
Copying
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
why don't your eyes work properly when you're dead?
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
What kind of answer is that
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
an honest one
the power goes off, why would you expect the machinery to still work?
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
No we’re not dead because the dna is the same according to your philosophy
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
not what I said at all
you really need to stop pretending I've said things I haven't
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
Machinery you can replace the part
And make it work again
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
not when the power is off
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
So you should be able to do that with the body
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
please read what is actually written
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
So turn the power on again same thing
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
we don't know how to
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
Why not? You say it’s dna
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
I've not said that at all
can you copy paste where I said dna is the thing that means we're alive?
because I've not written that
and you keep on pretending I did
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
If you don’t know I’m giving you the answer
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
no you're lying about what I've said
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
Why do you want to remain in ignorance
The answer is the soul
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
can you show such a thing exists?
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
The soul leaves the body at the time of death
That’s why you can’t revive it
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
evidence for that please
but we have revived people
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
For eternity?
Can you keep reviving them?
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
does the word "revive" mean "for eternity" ?
you said you cannot revive a body after death
which is untrue
whether or not you can keep doing it doesn't have any bearing on what you said being untrue
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
You say you don’t know so you should learn from someone who knows
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
you claim to know
do you have evidence for your claim?
rather than just these assertions
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
So you don’t know so why don’t you learn
From me
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
because you don't know
you claim to know
which is why I'm asking for evidence for your claims
please show souls exist
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
It’s not so easy to have direct perception of the soul; it’s not possible to see something beyond the senses with your senses. That’s logically imposisble
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
more claims
and no, we see things beyond our senses all the time
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
How
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
can you see xrays with your eyes?
infrared
etc etc etc
despite all that, you still claim a soul exists
please support that claim
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
Yes so similarly the soul exists beyond your senses
I cannot see those things
You are correct
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
yet we can see them using tools we have
so your claim that we cannot see things that are beyond our senses is demonstrably incorrect
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
Similarly mediation is a tool that lets you see the soul
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
please provide evidence to support your claim
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
Yes so just like you have to take a picture of the x ray to see it you have to take up mediation to see the soul. Same process.
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
I have meditated for years
how does one see the soul and then how do you verify that what you experienced is what you are claiming it is?
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
Yes and because have used the wrong process you haven’t perceived the soul. You can’t practice on your own you need a guide
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
ah so it's jsut me doing it wrong
another pathetic answer
how do you verify that what you're experiencing is what you claim?
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
First of all you need a teacher to learn how to mediate. Just as in when you want to perceive dna for example or may subject matter you have to read books and accept some authority in order to understand.
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
you can see dna without a teacher pointing it out to you
which is obvious otherwise we wouldnt have discovered it...
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
That’s nonsense did you discover dna by yourself?
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
I don't need to have in order for what I said to be true
did the people who discovered dna have a teacher telling them how to do it?
the answer is no btw
how do you verify that what you're experiencing is what you claim?
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
How do you know it’s dna
You read about it
From someone who knows
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
no
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
You can’t verify, because you don’t know
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
dna was hypothesised before discovery
so you compare the characteristics of what you find with the characteristics of what you're looking for
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
Just like a teacher, he can verify if something is correct. The student can’t do it otherwise there would be no meaning to the relationship between teacher and student
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
sorry mate, but you're scientifically illiterate
and no, they didn't "ask teacher" to verify for them
so you're saying the only way to verify the soul is just to ask someone else's opinion?
no study of it and its characteristics etc?
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
Yes you can study it but you learn from an authority just like you learn about dna from a teacher or a book
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
you learn what the characteristics of it are
but you said when you meditate you can't verify it yourself, why not?
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
Did you hypothesize about dna before learning about it?
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
I don't need to hypothesise about it, it's proven
what a strange question
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
Similarly the soul has been proven
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
you do understand what a hypothesis is?
I disagree
the soul has been claimed
very much
but I've yet to see evidence supporting those claims
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
I say dna has been claimed
CHALLENGING ATHIEST
and you'd be demonstrating incredible ignorance
we have nothing like the evidence we have for dna to support the claim of the soul
you understand we have "read" the dna of many other living things?
we can edit it and so on
we can move genes from one organism to another
as I thought, you have no evidence for your claim
you're ignorant of science
etc etc
sadly, this has been a monumental waste of time
MAITREYA RISHI DASA
So your process for understanding whether or not dna is dna is that you made a hypothesis about it and then when you saw it you could verify. So similarly you can make a hypothesis about the fact the soul is what is making the body alive, and then you can test that claim with meditation
You said you don’t know why the body is dying
You would have to take to this process in order to know. Because you don’t know, you can’t verify until you take to the process
Well, if you can’t answer I’ll take it as the proof that you are dogmatic